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how to find values that isnt displayed in a game?

 
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Silithas
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:29 pm    Post subject: how to find values that isnt displayed in a game? Reply with quote

Like in assassins creed games where you can't get detected, i got a trainer for black flag where i could kill guards infront of other guards and i didnt get detected same with no detection missions, i could just run past them and not getting noticed.

How can i do this i cheatengine?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Search for unknown value + backtracing + experience.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Backtrack & experience?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

search for unknown value and changed to increasing/decreasing when guards sees you/are after you (hiding may help to filter out bad values), filter out until ther are low amount of results,

find out what writes to each address, analyze mnemonics/opcodes from assembler and try to find a point where the game decides if you are seen/unseen (if you have luck, the dicision is made just a couple of code above right after the procedure/method starts), patch that part and see if result in game is as desired

(it is more easy and fast done when you have some knowledge of asm)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

= Backtracing & experience.

Each game is different and there is no 100% valid solution that fits to each game. Therefore it wouldn't help you if anyone give you a detailed description.

However sometimes it's easier to use programs like Ollydb (especially when it comes to things that hard to find via value changes. Revealing a map for example is only possible to find via tracing as each map offset has it's own value) but it requires that you know what you're doing, what you're looking for and that you're able to read and understand the ASM. There is a reason why these features are rarely used in trainers. They require more time and experience.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep i found one trainer for liberation with a non detecting feature, but it was behind one of those darn surveys where i have to pay some over priced phone feature store by 15 bucks a week to get through the survey with lol
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might also want to look into the game engine itself.
Perhaps there is a variable list that says "HiddenFromAI" which hides you when the value becomes 1

It does require a bit of research though

Also, never bother with those survey things. Even if you do get to download, it'll be bundled with an unknown trojan horse that will turn your system into a zombie

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

memory view -> tools -> dissect code
memory view -> view -> referenced strings
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:58 pm    Post subject: how to search value that is not fully displayed Reply with quote

im trying to search a value that looks like this "10.56k" the missing number trows off the search. how can i compensate for that? or i dont have other choise exept using unknown initial value?
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