Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:52 am Post subject: Just One Message!
After the creation of Adam, just one original message has been repeatedly delivered to mankind throughout the history of humanity.
Thus, to remind people about it and bring them back on track, many prophets and messengers including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad were sent by the only true God to convey this message;
the true God is only ONE.
Worship Him Alone and
keep His commandments.
Adam: God is One
Noah: God is One
Abraham: God is One
Moses: God is One
Muhammad: God is One
God sent these major prophets as well as many other prophets and messengers to accomplish several tasks and missions, some of which are:
1: To receive guidance from God and deliver it to their people.
2: To convey the message that "God is One" to their people.
3: To be good examples to their people.
4: To instruct their people to fear God and keep his commandments.
5: To teach their followers important things like religious and moral matters.
6: To guide those who deviated, disobeyed God, or worshiped other gods or idols.
7: To tell people about their final destination (the Last Day) and what leads to Paradise or Hellfire.
It is the same God who created those prophets, all humans, all animals, and all objects.
In other words, it is this ONE TRUE GOD who created the whole universe (including nature) and all it contains. He is the Creator of life, death, and life after death.
The ONENESS of this true God, the Creator, is clearly evident and easily traceable in the holy scriptures of the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and others.
Studying the concept of God in the Bible and the Qur'an sincerely and objectively, a researcher or seeker of the truth would be able to define some unique qualities belonging to the true God only.
Some of the qualities that distinguish this only one true God from other claimed gods are:
The one true God is Creator, not created.
This one true God is ONE, not three or more! He has no partners.
This one true God is invisible; no one can see Him in this life. He is not manifested or incarnated in other forms.
This one true God is eternal; He does not die or change.
This one true God is not in need of anyone (like a mother, a wife, or a son) or anything (life food, drink, or help). But others are in need of Him.
This one true God is unique in His attributes; no one is like him. No human or animal descriptions can be attributed to Him.
We can use these criteria and qualities (as well as other ones belonging to Him alone) in examining and rejecting any claimed gods.
Now let me turn to discuss the one message mentioned above and cite some of the biblical and Qur'anic verses confirming the oneness of God.
But before that, I would like to share with you this thought:
Some Christians might wonder, "It is obvious that God is one. We believe in one God. So, what is the point?"
However, based on a great deal of reading and studying materials on Christianity, and dialogues with many Christians, I came to understand that they perceive this one God to include:
1: God the Father
2: God the Son
3: God the Holy Spirit
So, based on common sense and simple logic, a sincere and honest seeker of truth could reason:
What do you mean by saying GOD is ONE, while you refer to THREE GODS?
Is God ONE in THREE or THREE in ONE?
In addition to that, and according to Christian dogmas, these three "Gods" have different identities, images, roles, and functions:
1: God the Father = the Creator
2: God the Son = the Savior
3: God the Holy Spirit = the Counselor
By the way, if Jesus, God the Son (or Son of God) is really God or part of the one God, doesn't this contradict what the Bible itself reports that no one can see God, nor hear His voice? The Bible states:
YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD HIS VOICE NOR SEEN HIS FACE
(John 5:37)
NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN HIM. AND NO ONE CAN SEE HIM.
(1 Timothy 6:16)
NO ONE CAN SEE ME AND STAY ALIVE.
(Exodus 33:20)
Based on these and other Biblical texts, I sincerely and honestly wonder, how can we reconcile the dogma that Jesus is God and the Biblical testimony that no one has ever seen God, nor heard His voice?
Didn't the Jews at his time, his family, and his follows SEE Jesus (God the Son, as some believe!) and HEAR his voice?
Is there any secret or hidden purpose concerning the truth about God?
In the Bible, the true God emphatically testifies,
"I am the Lord, and there is no other god. I have not spoken in secret or kept my purpose hidden... I am the Lord, and I speak the truth; I make known what is right." (Isaiah 45:19)
So what is the truth?
Please re-read the verse and think about it!
Now, let us take off on a journey of seeking truth about the one true God in the bible and the Qur'an.
At the end of this journey and after your critical, sincere, honest, and thoughtful reading of this and particularly the verses cited below, I would like to know your reactions or views.
To be as objective as possible,
I cite the verses without any comment.
Please read the following verses
CAREFULLY, CRITICALLY
And
WITHOUT ANY PRECONCEPTIONS.
The One True God in the Bible
(The Old Testament):
Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. (Deuteronomy 6:4)
Has not the One God made and sustained for us the spirit of life? (Malachi 2:15)
You may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after Me. I, I am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior. (Isaiah 43:10-11)
I am the first and I am the last; besides Me there is no god. Who is like Me? (Isaiah 44:6)
And there is no other god besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved...To Me every knee shall bow. (Isaiah 45:21-23)
Can you think of other similar ones?
The One True God in the Bible
(The New Testament):
One came and said unto him, "Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?" and Jesus said unto him, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God." (Matthew 19:16-17)
Now this is life eternal, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)
Worship the Lord your god, and serve Him only (Matthew 4:10)
Hear O Israel: the Lord our God is One Lord. (Mark 12:29)
For there is one God and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. (1 Timothy 2:5)
Can you recall other verses confirming that GOD IS ONLY ONE?
(NOT THREE!)
The One True God in the Qur'an
Say: He is Allah, the only One;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
None are born of Him, and nor is He born;
and there is none like Him. (112:1-4)
There is no god but I; so worship Me. (21:25)
They disbelieve who say: God is one of three for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word of blasphemy, verily, a grievous chastisement will befall the disbelievers among them. (5:73)
Can there be another god besides Allah? Nay, most of them know not.
Is He not best who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah ? Little do you remember.
Can there be another god besides Allah? High is Allah above what they associate with Him.
Can there be another god besides Allah? Say, "Bring forth your proof, if ye are telling the truth!" (27:61-64)
Indeed, this message concerning the Oneness of God (i.e., Tawheed in Arabic) is the essential theme of the Qur'an.
Conclusions
These verses as well as hundreds of similar pieces of evidence in the bible and the Qur'an confirm this one, eternal message that the true God is only ONE.
"Turn to me now and be saved, people all over the people!I AM THE ONLY GOD THERE IS." (Isaiah 45:22)
Not only does the Bible affirm that God is only ONE, but it also reveals that the true God, the Creator, is the only Savior.
"Before Me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after Me. I, I am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior." (Isaiah 43:10-11)
So, according to this affirmation, all other supposed gods or deities like Jesus, the Holy Spirit, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Krishna, or Buddha are neither gods nor manifestations of the ONE TRUE GOD.
It was because of such false beliefs that after the Jews worshiped other gods, "the Lord's anger burned against them" (Numbers 25:3)
Likewise, Moses destroyed the golden calf.
On the other hand, the Essenes, an early Christian Unitarian community, endured torture and persecution because they refused to exchange Jesus' monotheistic teachings for the Pauling innovation of the trinity.
To sum up, all God's prophets including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad were sent by the same God, the Creator, to convey the same message:
The true God is only ONE. Worship
Him ALONE and keep His
commandments.
And since those prophets and messengers preached the some one message, their religion must be the same one! So, what is the religion of those prophets and messengers?
Submission to the will of God is the essence of the message of those prophets. This word "SUBMISSION" means "ISLAM" in Arabic.
The Qur'an does confirm that "Islam" is the religion of all of God's prophets and messengers. This Qur'anic fact is also traceable in the Bible itself!
Ultimately, to attain salvation, we must receive and believe in the above-mentioned message willingly and whole-heartedly. Nevertheless, doing this is not enough! We must also believe in all God's true prophets (including Prophet Muhammad) and follow their guidance and teachings. This is the gateway to a happy, eternal life!
So, if you are a sincere seeker of truth and a lover of salvation, you might like to consider this NOW, before it is too late! BEFORE DEATH! It can be soon! Who knows?
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:49 pm Post subject:
Believe in God is comforting for people who can't handle the real world or for those who fear death, but I am neither of these, and unless there's good evidence of support for God , I see no reason to beilieve there is one.
Quote:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"
Believe in God is comforting for people who can't handle the real world or for those who fear death, but I am neither of these, and unless there's good evidence of support for God , I see no reason to beilieve there is one.
Quote:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"
untrue.
you are just arrogant, which shows you indeed can not handle the real world.
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:57 pm Post subject:
greatsage wrote:
HackOtaku wrote:
Believe in God is comforting for people who can't handle the real world or for those who fear death, but I am neither of these, and unless there's good evidence of support for God , I see no reason to beilieve there is one.
Quote:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"
untrue.
you are just arrogant, which shows you indeed can not handle the real world.
Why do you trust this guy when he is defending Muhammad marrying a child when you don't believe that's true?
This video is irrelevant to the discussion of religion being an opium of the people though. I maintain that those who are oppressed, unhappy, scared of death, scared of uncertainty, full of questions, poor, or in any kind of other horrible state of being cling to religion as their rock because it gives them a sense of peace, a blind reassurance that everything is going to be okay. God will take care of them and also when they die they will go to paradise, so they are to just give blind faith to God and wait to die. This is how you control the masses as well.
Also, I don't see the connection between being able to handle the real world and being arrogant, but alright. In my "real world", there's no miracles and no god, just physics and probability. Nothing but the cold embrace of sweet, sweet science.
Believe in God is comforting for people who can't handle the real world or for those who fear death, but I am neither of these, and unless there's good evidence of support for God , I see no reason to beilieve there is one.
Quote:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"
untrue.
you are just arrogant, which shows you indeed can not handle the real world.
Why do you trust this guy when he is defending Muhammad marrying a child when you don't believe that's true?
This video is irrelevant to the discussion of religion being an opium of the people though. I maintain that those who are oppressed, unhappy, scared of death, scared of uncertainty, full of questions, poor, or in any kind of other horrible state of being cling to religion as their rock because it gives them a sense of peace, a blind reassurance that everything is going to be okay. God will take care of them and also when they die they will go to paradise, so they are to just give blind faith to God and wait to die. This is how you control the masses as well.
Also, I don't see the connection between being able to handle the real world and being arrogant, but alright. In my "real world", there's no miracles and no god, just physics and probability. Nothing but the cold embrace of sweet, sweet science.
islam forbids blind faith. muslims are described as being without fear.
he makes an argument off of assumption; he is not infallible. pls dont try a fallacy of composition.
>scared of death
lol, the Muslim isn't. this was covered in the video but you ignored it. that is why muslims are more involved in risking their lives for the benefit of others.
Hadrat Abdullah bin Umar (Radi Allahu ta'ala anhu) has said that Allah's Most Beloved Prophet, Hadrat Muhammad Mustafa (Salla Allahu ta'ala alayhi wa Sallam) stated, ''Death is a gift for a believer.'' (Baihaqi)
>scared of uncertainty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawakkul
The truth of the believers is simply living one day at a time and not worrying what tomorrow will bring you; simply trusting in what God has planned.
Hadith: Umar bin Khattab said: I heard Muhammad saying, "If you all depend on Allah with due reliance, He would certainly give you provision as He gives it to the birds who go forth hungry in the morning and return with full bellies at dusk." (At-Tirmidhi)
one day you will learn that science and religion/miracles are different languages for the same phenomenon.
Allah is not an idea
Otherwise Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala could be conceived
And none encompass His knowledge
Save what He will
As it is said in Qur'an;
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Ta Ha.
We did not send down this Qur'an unto thee so that that shouldst be distressed,
But as a Reminder, an admonition to the God-fearing
It is a revelation from Him who has created the earth and the high heavens,
the Lord of Grace, established on the throne of His almightiness.
To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth,
As well as all that is between them, and underneath the soil.
If you say anything aloud, then know that He knows all that is secret, as well as all that is yet more hidden.
He is God; there is no deity other than Him.
His alone are all the attributes of perfection.
"Indeed, I alone am God; there is no deity other than Me.
So, worship Me alone, and establish regular prayer to celebrate My praise.
Although I have chosen to keep it hidden, the Last Hour is bound to come,
so that every soul may be rewarded in accordance with what it strove for.
Hence, let not anyone who does not believe in its coming and follows only his desires turn your thoughts from it, lest you perish."
Hurry up to rescue yourself and gain salvation. Believe that Allah is your God and that there is no god save Allah and Believe that Muhammad is His Messenger. Embrace Islam, perform prayer, pay tithe, perform pilgrimage to the House of Allah if you have the means to do so. Declare openly that you are a Muslim to Allah.
I swear By Allah that there is no way for deliverance and salvation save Islam, and I swear By Allah who is the only God that the religion of Islam is the religion of truth, and that Allah will accept no other religion from anybody.
I call Allah, His angels, and all His creation as witnesses to my testimony that there is no god save Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and that Islam is the true religion.
I invoke Allah to bless me and make me die while being a true Muslim so that I may dwell in paradise in companionship with our honest Prophet Muhammad and all prophets of Allah.
May the Blessings and Peace of Allah be upon our Prophet Muhammad and his companions.
Oh man, if you think he's not a hater now then you just don't understand Islam. It's a hateful religion that masks itself in society.
HATING OTHERS IS NOT A PART OF ISLAM
LOVE THE SINNER, HATE THE SIN
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Rasulullah, The Messenger of God (salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam; Peace be upon Him) is reported to have said:
لَا يُؤْمِنُ أَحَدُكُمْ حَتَّى يُحِبَّ لِأَخِيهِ أَوْ قَالَ لِجَارِهِ مَا يُحِبُّ لِنَفْسِهِ
None of you has faith until he loves for his brother or his neighbor what he loves for himself.
وَانْظُرْ مَا تُحِبُّ لِلنَّاسِ أَنْ يَأْتُوهُ إِلَيْكَ فَافْعَلْهُ بِهِمْ وَمَا تَكْرَهُ أَنْ يَأْتُوهُ إِلَيْكَ فَذَرْهُمْ مِنْهُ
Look at however you would love for the people to treat you, then treat them that way. However you hate for the people to treat you, then do not treat them that way.
دَبَّ إِلَيْكُمْ دَاءُ الْأُمَمِ قَبْلَكُمْ الْحَسَدُ وَالْبَغْضَاءُ وَالْبَغْضَاءُ هِيَ الْحَالِقَةُ حَالِقَةُ الدِّينِ لَا حَالِقَةُ الشَّعَرِ
There have come to you the diseases of the nations before you: envy and hatred, and hatred is the razor. It shaves the religion and it does not shave hair.
وَأَبْغِضْ بَغِيضَكَ هَوْنًا مَا عَسَى أَنْ يَكُونَ حَبِيبَكَ يَوْمًا مَا
Hate whom you hate mildly, for perhaps he will become your beloved someday.
وَتُحِبُّ لِلنَّاسِ مَا تُحِبُّ أَنْ يُؤْتَى إِلَيْكَ وَتَكْرَهُ لَهُمْ مَا تَكْرَهُ أَنْ يُؤْتَى إِلَيْكَ
Love for people what you would love for yourself, and hate for people what you would hate for yourself.
Hazrat Umar ibn Al-Khattab (may God be pleased with him) said:
لاَ يَكُنْ حُبُّكَ كَلَفًا وَلاَ بُغْضُكَ تَلَفًا
Let not your hatred be destruction.
وَإِذَا أَبْغَضْتَ أَحْبَبْتَ لِصَاحِبِكَ التَّلَف
When you hate someone, you would love to see your companion perish.
The Prophet (salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam) said:
الْمُسْلِمُ مَنْ سَلِمَ النَّاسُ مِنْ لِسَانِهِ وَيَدِهِ وَالْمُؤْمِنُ مَنْ أَمِنَهُ النَّاسُ عَلَى دِمَائِهِمْ وَأَمْوَالِهِمْ
The Muslim is the one from whose tongue and hand the people are safe, and the believer is the one who is trusted with the lives and wealth of the people.
Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 4998, Grade: Sahih
And in another,
الإسلام أفضل مَنْ سَلِمَ النَّاسُ مِنْ لِسَانِهِ وَيَدِهِ
The best Islam belongs to those from whose tongue and hand people are safe.
Source: Musnad Aḥmad 6714, Grade: Sahih
Hasan Al-Basri, may Allah have mercy on him, said:
إِنْ سَرَّكُمْ أَنْ تَسْلَمُوا وَيَسْلَمَ لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ فَكُفُّوا أَيْدِيَكُمْ عَنْ دِمَاءِ النَّاسِ وَكُفُّوا أَلْسِنَتَكُمْ عَنْ أَعْرَاضِهِمْ وَكُفُّوا بُطُونَكُمْ عَنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ
If you would be pleased to be safe and for your religion to be safe for you, then restrain your hands from harming the lives of people, restrain your tongues from harming their honor, and restrain your stomachs from consuming their wealth.
Source: Makārim al-Akhlāq lil-Kharā’iṭī 379
wait is talix some sort of muslin lover now? The fuck happened, you used to be so hateful.
dustin is sober now too
Wait what... That isn't possible.
I think he said for one year or 6 months... something pretty significant. Talix isn't just a muslim lover he claims he is a muslim. Which is under investigation. He also claims that violent people aren't real followers even if they say they are part of the religion _________________
I'm a young producer and rapper from Washington D.C.
wait is talix some sort of muslin lover now? The fuck happened, you used to be so hateful.
dustin is sober now too
Wait what... That isn't possible.
I think he said for one year or 6 months... something pretty significant. Talix isn't just a muslim lover he claims he is a muslim. Which is under investigation. He also claims that violent people aren't real followers even if they say they are part of the religion
because they directly break basically every commandment given in al-quran?
durr? the entire muslim world condemns them?
and under investigation? please.
anyone who says with conviction
ashadu anna la ilaha ill'Allah wa ashadu anna Muhammadan rasoul Allah
is a muslim. the muslims that browse this forum have accepted me as their own brother. you are just painting yourself for a fool.
seriously, did you NOT read the above at ALL?
The Prophet (salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam) said:
الْمُسْلِمُ مَنْ سَلِمَ النَّاسُ مِنْ لِسَانِهِ وَيَدِهِ وَالْمُؤْمِنُ مَنْ أَمِنَهُ النَّاسُ عَلَى دِمَائِهِمْ وَأَمْوَالِهِمْ
The Muslim is the one from whose tongue and hand the people are safe, and the believer is the one who is trusted with the lives and wealth of the people.
Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 4998, Grade: Sahih
And in another,
الإسلام أفضل مَنْ سَلِمَ النَّاسُ مِنْ لِسَانِهِ وَيَدِهِ
The best Islam belongs to those from whose tongue and hand people are safe.
Source: Musnad Aḥmad 6714, Grade: Sahih
Hasan Al-Basri, may Allah have mercy on him, said:
إِنْ سَرَّكُمْ أَنْ تَسْلَمُوا وَيَسْلَمَ لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ فَكُفُّوا أَيْدِيَكُمْ عَنْ دِمَاءِ النَّاسِ وَكُفُّوا أَلْسِنَتَكُمْ عَنْ أَعْرَاضِهِمْ وَكُفُّوا بُطُونَكُمْ عَنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ
If you would be pleased to be safe and for your religion to be safe for you, then restrain your hands from harming the lives of people, restrain your tongues from harming their honor, and restrain your stomachs from consuming their wealth.
Source: Makārim al-Akhlāq lil-Kharā’iṭī 379
do you even know your own history of your family? where is your family from? do not say "America". do you have ANY idea how many muslims we would have if america never stripped people of their identities?
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