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smaudet
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 Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:53 pm Post subject: Fixing the wiki... |
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Hey, I'm new around here, but it looks like this site/community is a bit of state of disrepair. The source is still stuck in SVN, and the wiki was making reference to the now defunct VB6 language as a 'good place to start'. I'm going through to make edits to update things for the modern world, I'm just announcing my intent here, and asking if anyone around here actually still gives a damn.
Or is this place just filled with trolls, and I should fork and start my own community?
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abystus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:05 am Post subject: Re: Fixing the wiki... |
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| smaudet wrote: | Hey, I'm new around here, but it looks like this site/community is a bit of state of disrepair. The source is still stuck in SVN, and the wiki was making reference to the now defunct VB6 language as a 'good place to start'. I'm going through to make edits to update things for the modern world, I'm just announcing my intent here, and asking if anyone around here actually still gives a damn.
Or is this place just filled with trolls, and I should fork and start my own community? |
It is nice that your willing to update the wiki, but I doubt you could compete with half the people on this forum in pure knowledge of assembly/programming, and surely wouldn't be able to run any forked project that would even come close to competing with this one (so much for that community). If you haven't noticed, there are several posts on this forum (across several sections) a day versus many other sites that see a single post a week. Gotta love when "new" people pop up thinking they are the next best thing since slice bread, but have 10 posts to their name and you have never even heard of their forum handle before...
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Geri
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The wiki is not important. The forum has a tutorial section for all sorts of game hacking tutorials and you can ask specific questions or cheat requests in other sections. The real knowledgebase for Cheat Engine is the forum, not the wiki.
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smaudet
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:36 am Post subject: Re: Fixing the wiki... |
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| Abystus wrote: | | smaudet wrote: | Hey, I'm new around here, but it looks like this site/community is a bit of state of disrepair. The source is still stuck in SVN, and the wiki was making reference to the now defunct VB6 language as a 'good place to start'. I'm going through to make edits to update things for the modern world, I'm just announcing my intent here, and asking if anyone around here actually still gives a damn.
Or is this place just filled with trolls, and I should fork and start my own community? |
It is nice that your willing to update the wiki, but I doubt you could compete with half the people on this forum in pure knowledge of assembly/programming, and surely wouldn't be able to run any forked project that would even come close to competing with this one (so much for that community). If you haven't noticed, there are several posts on this forum (across several sections) a day versus many other sites that see a single post a week. Gotta love when "new" people pop up thinking they are the next best thing since slice bread, but have 10 posts to their name and you have never even heard of their forum handle before... |
That's a bit condescending, but I suppose you may have taken offense to my verbiage -
First - yes, I did notice that there are quite a few people around here making posts. What I don't know - if there's any quality to those people. This sort of forum attracts a lot of spammers and low-quality posters, naturally. Whether or not I'm one of those 'low quality posters' we'll have to wait and see, now, won't we? 
Second - I wouldn't expect you to hear of my 'forum handle'. I'm not interested in such 'named' displays of worth. I'd rather get shit done than take credit for things.
Third - Assembly is not difficult, in and of itself. That said, I'm here to learn, not because I know everything. But, forums are, IMHO, a shit way to learn things. Wiki's are better for this thing. Writing a wiki is an even better way. Having someone tear your wiki/opinions apart is an even better way to learn.
So please, if you can teach, I'm here to learn.
| Geri wrote: | | The wiki is not important. The forum has a tutorial section for all sorts of game hacking tutorials and you can ask specific questions or cheat requests in other sections. The real knowledgebase for Cheat Engine is the forum, not the wiki. |
Indeed, that's what I'd surmised.
And I've not been overly impressed by what I've seen so far.
That might just be that I've not 'looked hard enough', but if that's true, then its not a very good place or way to store things, now, is it?
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Geri
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Noone is stopping you if you want to make better tutorials or if you want to post cheats. You can even make your own game hacking tool and build a brand new community around it.
And no, I don't think that a wiki is always the best solution for getting info. On the forum, you can see tutorials about the same subject from different authors. If you like an author, you can follow him and read his tutorials.
The main thing to keep in mind is to not post multiplayer cheats.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Fixing the wiki... |
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| smaudet wrote: |
That's a bit condescending, but I suppose you may have taken offense to my verbiage -
First - yes, I did notice that there are quite a few people around here making posts. What I don't know - if there's any quality to those people. This sort of forum attracts a lot of spammers and low-quality posters, naturally. Whether or not I'm one of those 'low quality posters' we'll have to wait and see, now, won't we?
Second - I wouldn't expect you to hear of my 'forum handle'. I'm not interested in such 'named' displays of worth. I'd rather get shit done than take credit for things.
Third - Assembly is not difficult, in and of itself. That said, I'm here to learn, not because I know everything. But, forums are, IMHO, a shit way to learn things. Wiki's are better for this thing. Writing a wiki is an even better way. Having someone tear your wiki/opinions apart is an even better way to learn.
So please, if you can teach, I'm here to learn.
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I took offense to your view of our community. You started rambling about how things weren't up to your standards for something that is provided free of charge to you by one of the best coders around. Also, if you want to know the quality behind something, you should look no further than the thousands of views/downloads on certain posts within the table/trainer sections. Download one of their tables, take a look at their work, etc... If something didn't work, they wouldn't have that kind of following. As far as you needing to learn, what exactly is it that your desiring to obtain knowledge about? If ASM is easy for you atm, then I'm not sure what else there is you could be trying to learn outside Lua, or some other programming related information. I do hope you find what your looking for, and If you need help on something specific then do not be afraid to ask. Also, feel free to update the wiki as much as you like as different people require different tools to learn sometimes (I don't have a preference, but wiki's are decent if organized properly).
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Geri
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Fixing the wiki... |
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| Abystus wrote: | | As far as you needing to learn, what exactly is it that your desiring to obtain knowledge about? If ASM is easy for you atm, then I'm not sure what else there is you could be trying to learn outside Lua, or some other programming related information. |
He can still learn about game engines, common anti-cheat methods, etc. Every game is different, but there are certain similarities and knowing those similarities will help to find data and codes more efficiently.
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Welcome and thanks for hour interest in adding to the wiki
If you wish to learn while adding i recommend starting with adding the contents of the ce helpfile, especially the lua scripting (also check out main.lua)
I would have done it myself(i did add a few starting points with basic examples), but as you stated the wiki is hardly used (perhaps that'll change when more is added), and because i have an extreme dislike for documentation myself
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| Dark Byte wrote: | | i have an extreme dislike for documentation myself |
The forum is also useful to learn about other members, such as learning that Dark Byte hate to write documentations. 
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abystus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Fixing the wiki... |
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| Geri wrote: |
He can still learn about game engines, common anti-cheat methods, etc. Every game is different, but there are certain similarities and knowing those similarities will help to find data and codes more efficiently. |
This is true. Hopefully he gets a bit more specific when he responds. I may add to this wiki as well when I get a chance (honestly didn't know it existed till he mentioned it lol). Dark Byte, you should add a link to it from the forums if one isn't present already (I don't think a lot of people go to the main page outside of downloading the software.)
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It's on the bottom left of the irc link
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Dark Byte wrote: | Welcome and thanks for hour interest in adding to the wiki
If you wish to learn while adding i recommend starting with adding the contents of the ce helpfile, especially the lua scripting (also check out main.lua)
I would have done it myself(i did add a few starting points with basic examples), but as you stated the wiki is hardly used (perhaps that'll change when more is added), and because i have an extreme dislike for documentation myself |
I'd love to contribute with lua examples.
Not sure about what to contribute
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Wiki is good for reference, but comparing it to the forum is like comparing a book with an unlimited amount of tutors with varying backgrounds and experience; you can't ask a book any questions.
| smaudet wrote: | | Or is this place just filled with trolls, and I should fork and start my own community? |
-Well this post doesn't help, does it?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Fixing the wiki... |
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| smaudet wrote: | Hey, I'm new around here, but it looks like this site/community is a bit of state of disrepair. The source is still stuck in SVN, and the wiki was making reference to the now defunct VB6 language as a 'good place to start'. I'm going through to make edits to update things for the modern world, I'm just announcing my intent here, and asking if anyone around here actually still gives a damn.
Or is this place just filled with trolls, and I should fork and start my own community? |
I don't know where you have been looking (random spam ?) but this place has zero trolls and any that are, disappear quicker than a puff of smoke.
I think you are a troll because your post is very opinionated and designed to incite a strong response in whoever reads it. Your post starts off by attacking the community, the members, the wiki and gives a strong opinion about a language (vb6) that is not true at all (if you don't use it doesn't mean its defunct).
I think your attitude is just shitty, spend sometime here and contribute your 'awesome' asm skills then if you still feel this way, feel free to tear this community a new a-hole because then your opinions may hold a little more weight.
You can pretty much just fuck-off now because like it or not, you are coming off as a big asshole right now and not the likable funny asshole but the omg stfu asshole. Your nick is horrible even.
PS: I am offended by your post because i have made at least one edit to the wiki, helped countless people on forums and spent my precious time on these forums, no way am i going to let a schmuck belittle my contributions.
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smaudet
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Fixing the wiki... |
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| STN wrote: | | smaudet wrote: | Hey, I'm new around here, but it looks like this site/community is a bit of state of disrepair. The source is still stuck in SVN, and the wiki was making reference to the now defunct VB6 language as a 'good place to start'. I'm going through to make edits to update things for the modern world, I'm just announcing my intent here, and asking if anyone around here actually still gives a damn.
Or is this place just filled with trolls, and I should fork and start my own community? |
I don't know where you have been looking (random spam ?) but this place has zero trolls and any that are, disappear quicker than a puff of smoke.
I think you are a troll because your post is very opinionated and designed to incite a strong response in whoever reads it. Your post starts off by attacking the community, the members, the wiki and gives a strong opinion about a language (vb6) that is not true at all (if you don't use it doesn't mean its defunct).
I think your attitude is just shitty, spend sometime here and contribute your 'awesome' asm skills then if you still feel this way, feel free to tear this community a new a-hole because then your opinions may hold a little more weight.
You can pretty much just fuck-off now because like it or not, you are coming off as a big asshole right now and not the likable funny asshole but the omg stfu asshole. Your nick is horrible even.
PS: I am offended by your post because i have made at least one edit to the wiki, helped countless people on forums and spent my precious time on these forums, no way am i going to let a schmuck belittle my contributions. |
You're not doing a good job of representing this forum as filled with reputable people who don't troll.
| ++METHOS wrote: | Wiki is good for reference, but comparing it to the forum is like comparing a book with an unlimited amount of tutors with varying backgrounds and experience; you can't ask a book any questions.
| smaudet wrote: | | Or is this place just filled with trolls, and I should fork and start my own community? |
-Well this post doesn't help, does it? |
Sure. Forum is ok for interaction with other people. What do you think I'm doing? Also good for gauging the community. People are good to pick brains and help solve problems, they aren't walking dictionaries or instruction manuals.
There are a lot of problems with the forum as a piece of documentation, too many to go into without being horribly off topic.
| DaSpamer wrote: | | Dark Byte wrote: | Welcome and thanks for hour interest in adding to the wiki
If you wish to learn while adding i recommend starting with adding the contents of the ce helpfile, especially the lua scripting (also check out main.lua)
I would have done it myself(i did add a few starting points with basic examples), but as you stated the wiki is hardly used (perhaps that'll change when more is added), and because i have an extreme dislike for documentation myself |
I'd love to contribute with lua examples.
Not sure about what to contribute |
Great! For now I'd grab the good/up-to-date tutorials and put them into the wiki format (credit original authors of course). Beyond that, I would guess the examples would be things like code-snippets, how-tos, organized by category. But you're the lua expert!
| Dark Byte wrote: | Welcome and thanks for hour interest in adding to the wiki
If you wish to learn while adding i recommend starting with adding the contents of the ce helpfile, especially the lua scripting (also check out main.lua)
I would have done it myself(i did add a few starting points with basic examples), but as you stated the wiki is hardly used (perhaps that'll change when more is added), and because i have an extreme dislike for documentation myself |
Thanks!
I'll put an 'improvements' section with stuff like that. The CE helpfile and lua would be great to have, the CE help file is probably easier for me than the lua (not a lua expert).
| Geri wrote: | | Abystus wrote: | | As far as you needing to learn, what exactly is it that your desiring to obtain knowledge about? If ASM is easy for you atm, then I'm not sure what else there is you could be trying to learn outside Lua, or some other programming related information. |
He can still learn about game engines, common anti-cheat methods, etc. Every game is different, but there are certain similarities and knowing those similarities will help to find data and codes more efficiently. |
You're pretty spot on. My primary goal here it to learn the methods and patterns. 'If' statements and 'mov' assembler instructions may be easy, but they tell you nothing about common patterns, e.g. MVC, so too with anti-cheats and game engines. I've discovered a couple theoretical ones so far, but came here to learn the progressions.
If I have a specific goal, there is a specific game I have my eyes set on (flash, single player, arbitrary goal that doesn't get posted to any sort of high scores table), with some level of protection applied (basic scans don't work, although I think I might have identified a memory range of addresses). That's my 'end goal' to hack in, lets say, a month, if I can.
I don't particularly care about that game though, in general I just need to practice.
| Geri wrote: | | Dark Byte wrote: | | i have an extreme dislike for documentation myself |
The forum is also useful to learn about other members, such as learning that Dark Byte hate to write documentations. |
All in all the people who replied seem decent, for the most part. I'll stick around for a bit then.
Anyways, back to wiki-editing.
UPDATE:
Added the improvements (wiki.cheatengine.org/index.php?title=Improvements) page, which can be found linked to from the Main page (wiki.cheatengine.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#Welcome_to_the_Cheat_Engine_gamehacking_wiki.)
Added pre-lim help file (wiki.cheatengine.org/index.php?title=Cheat_Engine:Help_File)
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