Cheat Engine

[goofydude]

What I am wondering is, when would heap be used? Are there certain types of games (like maybe flash games or other very small games) that would put most of the most hacked data (hp mp gold etc.) in the heap data, or would it be used for a different use? (maybe hacking a different type of stat or data)

I ask this because while I really like the idea behind it, on a game i tried recently one character has a stat placement way off base of everyone else and I did a heap search 9 levels (everyone else made it in 3 or 4) and 18k limit (I just do obscene numbers...). I then went on a babysitting job that lasted the whole day, came back, search was done (would have taken a month normally... I think.) and 300million results. quickly leaving battle then rejoining and finding the new address, then rescanning again.... 0 results. So I am now doing it the old fashioned way, though trying 6 levels and 4-6k (can't remember I set it then went to sleep, and it's still going).*oh and next try will be the old old fashion way where I manually see what is accessing it and try to hunt it down meself!*

There was my example and now once again my main question, when would you use heap data?

BTW, I like the Derpy banner.

[Dark Byte]

It depends on the game and the memory manager it uses

1: Some use their own memory manager for small allocations (minimum allocatable block is 64kb by windows if using virtualalloc, which is a waste if you only need 28 bytes)

2: some use the heap functions in windows which handle this for you.
This heap api can be queried and asked how big each little allocation was.
e.g:
This way you know that the block at 2003cd90 was allocated as 64 bytes.
So for queries regarding this specific block a smaller chunk needs to be investigated

3: some games use a mix of their own memory manager and the heap. They tell the heap api to allocate 4kb of ram and then they use their own memory manager to divide it up into chunks


Only in case 2 the heap data is useful for the pointerscanner

tip: If you enable heapdata and the address turns red, it's useless, the game didn't use the heap to allocate the address you're looking for

[goofydude]

Ok, well I don't see me really taking advantage of case 2 very much. And as for the tip, I take it that heapdata is the option below enable heap? (which can't be enabled if heap isn't enabled)

Otherwise I somehow missed any and all red.

That said thanks for clearing up that issue for me, as for what I use cheat engine for I don't think I'll really use heap.