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Josheh · Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:09 am Post subject: Question

I was wondering what language to stick with. Currently I'm best at Java, and next would be C#. I thought about doing web-development and or game-development and I've noticed C# has ASP.NET/XNA whilst Java has JSP/3rd party libraries/Andriod. I'm really not sure as I want to stick with one and advance in it. I do like C#'s ability to access low-level parts of Windows but I can do that in Java too (JNA/JNI), not pure Java of course lol. I wish Java had an IDE like VS Sad

Eclipse is okay but I want a drag-n-drop IDE (yes I know there are plugins), NetBeans is alright but I hate the messy code it produces >_<

Suggestions???

Innovation · Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:24 am Post subject:

What's stopping you from learning more about both?

Josheh · Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:31 am Post subject:

HomerSexual · Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:06 am Post subject:

why do you have to "quit" one to learn the other? You can develop both at the same time. 3 years of java and 1 year of C# Razz

Josheh · Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:49 pm Post subject:

atom0s · Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:20 pm Post subject:

The 'main' language of your time is up to you. We can't make that choice for you. There is no best. It is entirely up to you which language you decide to use. You shouldn't base your choice on others opinions, but rather on what you need to get out of the language you pick.

If you plan to take college courses for programming, it depends on the college for which language(s) you will use. You wont use C# or any .NET language in majority of colleges unless they are specifically for Microsoft courses. Most will use Java, and other lower end scripting languages. This doesn't mean Java is the best, its just what the professors choose to use. (Most of which are stubborn and ignorant to the changing world around them.)

If you want to use C# specifically and take it serious, you will need to look for a college that specifically uses it. Not all colleges with a standard computer science course will use .NET at all. So be sure to check into what the courses cover in the colleges you look at.

Josheh · Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:53 am Post subject:

atom0s · Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:48 am Post subject:

Python is a scripting language, but it is used a lot as it is very flexible and proven. You wont land up using it in schools for the most part unless they have a newer course that involves embedded languages.

The Qt framework is just a cross-platform gui framework that is used with C++, it's not a separate programming language or anything. You will still need to know C++ in order to use it.

If you want my opinion of what language you should use, I'd recommend:

I would recommend C# if you would be doing the following:
- Web development
- (Web) Service development
- Database access development

I would recommend C/C++ if you would be doing the following:
- Game development
- Low-level system development
- Hacking, Botting, Exploit development (including game hacking)

Keep in mind C# is not cross-platform by design. It has no standard Linux support, there is the Mono project but it is not made by Microsoft. So any web related coding you do will be forced to run on a Windows server.

The industry is moving more towards .NET development if you want to get into a real world job with development. Majority of jobs that are not game related are database access, user front-end, or middle-man software companies that have some form of database coding. Most of the time these companies are now using .NET (C# mostly). (I say this from personal experience as well as having several friends in the field.)

Given that you said its not something you need to do and is more for your entertainment, I wouldn't recommend learning something you don't want to learn just because you think it will land you a job. You'll get extremely bored of the language fast probably. Do what you want to do or what makes you enjoy programming. Don't force yourself to learn something because its the latest craze.

Josheh · Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:41 pm Post subject:

atom0s · Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:41 pm Post subject:

Slugsnack · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:56 am Post subject:

Yes, Objective C is needed to develop native iOS/Mac OS X. Syntax really isn't a great reason to ditch a language btw.

Also it's always interesting to learn a new, interesting language. Lots of people are hopping onto Scala these days. It really only depends on whether you are learning for interest, or for a purpose.

Josheh · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:25 am Post subject:

Alright thank you both for your insight. I think I'll go with web-development for now since I'm not smart enough to program a game worth playing Razz

A friend of mine is in college and he's giving me his studies. They're learning HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and a bit of PHP this semester so I guess I'll just follow them. That or use C# with ASP.NET instead of PHP. Or maybe Java because I like Java XD

Thanks again!

Cheat Engine User · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:20 am Post subject:

atom0s · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:46 pm Post subject:

There are tons of Direct3D tutorials on the net as well so there isn't a shortage of documentation or examples by any means for getting started with game development.

Don't think you have to make the next amazing graphics based game that uses Direct3D 11 and has some intense system requirements. Look how bad Minecraft looks and how successful it is. You just need to find something that will hook people in and keep them interested. Such a simple game can turn into a huge success.

SwaggaJackin' · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:04 pm Post subject:

I've been looking into D:

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/2.0/index.html

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/2.0/comparison.html

It seems intriguing, mostly because it looks like C without the redundancy but I don't think it's going to catch on, so I've been hesitant to jump in on it.