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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:36 pm    Post subject: New Computer Build Reply with quote

Hello. I was looking into building my first computer. I don't know very much about the hardware aspect of computers, and was wondering if someone could go over the list of what I've put together so far, and let me know about any issues I might have with compatibility. Also, let me know if I'm missing anything important...

http ://secure.newegg. com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15524045

I can't afford to go out and buy all of this right now, so I will probably be saving for a while in order to get everything I want. I'm just trying to get a rough idea if everything on my wish list was to be purchased right now, would everything function correctly, and at its maximum performance, considering that everything arrives in working order, and I assemble it correctly? That's where I would like to start.

Also, any tips for a beginner would be appreciated. Tips such as...

* What piece of hardware should I install first?
* Is there a specific order of installation that I should follow?
* Do I actually need the anti-static wrist strap, is it proven to work, or is it a gimmick?
* Should I buy my own thermal paste, or do I even need it?

Again, I have absolutely no experience when it comes to putting together my own computer. I've watched some videos and that type of thing, but those people were professionals, and they probably made it look a lot easier then it's going to be for me. I do however think that I can do it, and I would hopefully like to try it in the future.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get 1090T instead of 1100 cause you could just OC 1090T to 1100
and is a SSD really necessary? if i were you just get two 64GB SSD and raid 0 them.

STEP 1: De-static your self.
Step 2: case fan, DVD drives, and any other stuff
Step 3: Get you motherboard and Cpu. Put them together.
Step 4:Install RAM modules.
Step 5: get your Heat sink Install it. don't over use the Thermal paste cause you dont need much.
Step 6:Put all your harddrives and SSD inside your Case.
Step 7:Place your power supply in the case.
Step 8: Put the Motherboard inside the Case and SCREW IT IN.
Before step 8 put those Motherboard stand offs first

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Order of install.

Case fans, sometimes they tend to be in odd places, if it looks like you might have issues installing it later do it first.
Motherboard, don't skimp on the risers, the motherboard should not be touching the case, only the motherboard risers should.
Depending on your motherboard one of these 3, either ram, cpu, or gpu. I say depending due to I've had issues where I have had to install ram before graphics card, or cpu, cpu heat sink (make sure to use thermal compound). before graphics card. Generally the cpu comes next, then ram power supply and graphics card.

Of note, get a general Idea of how you want to route the internal cables. Also installing them usually is a good idea to start off with.

Thermal compound, you will need this for the cpu.

Wristguard or keep a hand on the case to minimize the chance of ESD.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a 965 and a 6850/70. Screw the bullshit "SSD as main drive with big slow drive on the side as storage" setup. Just get a 1.5 TB Caviar black.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Place your palm on a power supply. No more static.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 5770 is an older card now. A 6950 is a very good card for the money.

Drop the anti-static wristband, just plug your PSU into the wall (with it switched off) and touch it. Voila, you are now grounded.

CM 690 II Advanced is a mid tower case like that but costs $90. Nice case if you like blue. Pretty good airflow if you replace the crappy stock fans with some Xigmateks.

Motherboard is fine.

Do you really need a 6-core? A 965 is a great CPU for the price. My current desktop has a 965 and I have no complaints outside of the fact it's a voltage hog if you try to overclock past 4Ghz.

In this entire build I don't see an aftermarket cooler. Get one. I'd suggest a Corsair H50/H70 in terms of sealed liquid cooling. Great cooling. If you don't want that, then go for a Noctua NH-U12 or a Xigmatek Dark Knight.

I have an SSD for boot up, but it's really not needed to get a 128GB one. Get at most a 60. Or you can do like Choycolate said and get 2 of them and put them in RAID 0.

2TB HDD? What are the odds you will ever fill that up? A 1 TB will suffice.

Are you gonna be burning Blu-ray movies? If not there is no need for that drive. You can get a simple DVD drive or go without one.

With what I've given you here you have a faster computer (outside of a minor change in CPU speed, but if you are dead set on that 1100T, add $60 to the price I give you here and that will compensate getting that CPU.)

Subtotal for my build was $1,382.71 with the 965.

newegg. com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.598540
newegg. com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.615434

Links to the combo deals I used.

Other products are:

Case: Cooler Master 690 II Advanced
HDD: WD 1TB 6.0GB/s (Less storage but faster)
Same PSU, RAM, and optical drive as you.
SSD: 2x Corsair 60GB

If you drop the optical drive, you save $80. Just pick up a DVD Burner for like $20 or so.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NO TALKING ABOUT WAREZ OR ANYTHING IN THIS FORUM EDIT HIS POST.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Choycolate wrote:
NO TALKING ABOUT WAREZ OR ANYTHING IN THIS FORUM EDIT HIS POST.


Report it next time instead of mini-modding, Safko or I will take care of it.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyways are you a gamer or anything and wat are you gonna use this PC for?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have lots of space to work with and do not work in a room with carpet flooring!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apotheoun wrote:
A 5770 is an older card now. A 6950 is a very good card for the money.


It's a lot more expensive then the card I have listed, and I don't game. I literally don't play anything other then the occasional game of Mine Craft. So will I need it, or will my current card work? I watch a lot of BluRay movies, and DVD's along with a lot of Anime, and other TV shows that I stream.

Apotheoun wrote:
Drop the anti-static wristband, just plug your PSU into the wall (with it switched off) and touch it. Voila, you are now grounded.


Alright, thanks.

Apotheoun wrote:
CM 690 II Advanced is a mid tower case like that but costs $90. Nice case if you like blue. Pretty good airflow if you replace the crappy stock fans with some Xigmateks.


Meh, I'm set on the case. It's the only case I have any experience with other then stock cases, and I really love the look and layout of it.

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Motherboard is fine.

SATA 3 and USB 3.0 FTW!

Apotheoun wrote:
Do you really need a 6-core? A 965 is a great CPU for the price. My current desktop has a 965 and I have no complaints outside of the fact it's a voltage hog if you try to overclock past 4Ghz.


Probably not, but I already have one in the pre-built computer that I'm using now, and I love it so much. Video transcoding that took 1.5 hours on my old PC is done in around 12 minutes. This processor will be even faster than my current one, the AMD Phenom II X6 1055t.

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In this entire build I don't see an aftermarket cooler. Get one. I'd suggest a Corsair H50/H70 in terms of sealed liquid cooling. Great cooling. If you don't want that, then go for a Noctua NH-U12 or a Xigmatek Dark Knight.


Liquid cooling? The case has like 3 fans, and I think the option to mount more, and I won't be doing any overclocking, or gaming. My computer is only on 4-6 hours a day anyway. Is it really needed?

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I have an SSD for boot up, but it's really not needed to get a 128GB one. Get at most a 60. Or you can do like Choycolate said and get 2 of them and put them in RAID 0.


Yeah, you're right. I was only looking into that one because of the READ and WRITE speeds with SATA 3. It's crazy fast. It was the one with the best speeds I could find for the price, from a name that I trust. I'm probably going to go with:

Corsair Performance 3 Series CSSD-P364GB2-BRKT 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Read up to 365 MB/s and Write up to 110MB/s

It is a lot cheaper, and it will provide me with plenty of speed for booting, and loading whatever software I need. I was told that write speed really doesn't matter when using an SSD as a boot drive. If that makes any sense. Lol.

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2TB HDD? What are the odds you will ever fill that up? A 1 TB will suffice.


Very high, considering that right now I could fill it almost 3 times. Right now I have a 1.5TB 5200RPM WD drive, a 1.5TB External My Book Essential, a 320GB My Book Essential(old model), a 2TB My Book elements, and a 320GB Toshiba 320 GB portable external hard drive. Each drive is about 80% full or more, both 320GB drives are completely full. I was planning on moving the files from both 320GB drives over to the 2TB internal drive, and getting rid of them, and then having some space to spare for a while, and getting my desk cleared off some, and freeing up some USB ports.

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Are you gonna be burning Blu-ray movies? If not there is no need for that drive. You can get a simple DVD drive or go without one.


It doesn't burn Blu-ray movies, it just plays them. It's also backwards compatible with DVD, and CD's. So I will have everything I need in one. My last Blu-Ray player crapped out, so I'm just going to be using an optical drive from now on.

Choycolate wrote:
Get 1090T instead of 1100 cause you could just OC 1090T to 1100
and is a SSD really necessary? if i were you just get two 64GB SSD and raid 0 them.


I'm not interested in overclocking anything. I honestly wouldn't know how, and even the 1090T probably has more power then I will ever need with stock settings. I'm getting the 1100 because it's the best and most powerful processor that I can afford. If I find something that requires that kind of power, then I'll have it. If not, then I will always have power to spare. That's the only reasoning behind choosing the 1100.

No, an SSD isn't necessary, especially one that costs that much. I won't be buying that model. However, I did just get a Corsair Force 60GB, and I'm currently using it as my boot drive. It's so much faster than anything I've ever used before, it uses almost no power, generates no heat, has no moving parts, and is completely silent. I will never switch back to HDD's, at least, not as the boot drive.

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anyways are you a gamer or anything and wat are you gonna use this PC for?
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I transcode a lot of video files. Full seasons of TV shows, Anime, and anything else that I watch. I use Flash, and Office, and watch TV and other things through Windows Media Center. Sometimes I do all of these things at once, but that isn't often. I could also get into gaming in the future, but I'm unsure if that will happen as of now. I'm basically just looking into parts, and how to do things to determine if I want to attempt building my own PC in the future.


One more question. How do you determine how much power you need to run everything? How do I know whether I need a 650W, 750W, 850W or more? This question goes for anyone. My current computer has pretty decent specs, and it's running on a 300W supply. Would 750W be overkill for this build? I never really understood how people determine how much power they will need.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Drop the anti-static wristband, just plug your PSU into the wall (with it switched off) and touch it. Voila, you are now grounded.


Alright, thanks.
Not very smart A) you are plugging in a device to an electrical outlet that you are going to be touching, B) it very well could short everything out, are you going to plug it into the motherboard when you connect it. At some point you have to unplug it from the wall, and while you are grounded to the wall power you are not staticly discharged from the motherboard.

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/69671.aspx

Peripherals not mice and crap but whats on the motherboard determine that, number of video cards etc, 750 would not be overkill.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
i use it when i try to build some.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well there are lots of other tools also after making PC.. its not everything done with making PC..for this visit here:

www/pcmobilizr/com
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I'm fairly sure it's borderline impossible to actually cause damage via static discharge unless you are somehow managing to soak in such a comical amount of electricity that your hair is standing up. Unless you are deliberately grinding your sock covered feet into the carpet as you build you will be fine. You probably have a greater risk of physically snapping something than you do shocking it. I've carried hardware around in my pocket / bag before. When I was giving someone a bunch of hardware I just tossed a mobo, ram, gpu, cpu into a shoprite bag or some shit and brought it over before sawing through a heatsink backplate with a steak knife.

Yes you need thermal paste, I like ceramique. Non-conductive so you can use it on GPUs safely too if you ever need to in the future.

Power wise I always just took a rough mental guesstimate. Just don't buy a piece of shit that boasts FIVE MILLION WATTS while the actual hardware inside is made out of k-nex or some shit. Corsair is a nice go-to brand now.

A 5770 is fine for what you want to do, less even, really.

SSD's are fast for booting not because of their raw speeds but because of the access times.

Just get a retail CPU if you aren't going to overclock, OEM won't come with a heatsink. The stock AMD heatsink is easy as fuck to put on, a nice departure from fucking shitty Intel pushpin crap. I would at least TRY to overclock, but that's me, it's literally free performance, a potential lot of it.

Order of install doesn't really matter, just make sure you don't accidentally put something in your way and make it a pain the ass to cram your hand in later to connect something like the case wires.
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