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b004u Advanced Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:58 am Post subject: Im thinking of buying more ram on a older laptop model |
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I went to .crucial and they given me many products that
is compatiable with my laptop. My laptop currently has a 2gb memory
already built in. I'll provide a link for you guys to review on my
compatiablity. I've noticed that it reccomended me to buy a $30 product
2gb 200-Pin Sodimm , which this will have my laptop maximized at
4gb. I want the best performance on this laptop and should I replace the
first slot , and adding a 4gb kit (2gbx2) . Because its matching
pairs , I think I should do it ? Should I look into buying from crucial?
Pavilion dv6646us
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hcavolsdsadgadsg I'm a spammer
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Don't bother unless you have a 64 bit OS.
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Polynomial Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, unfortunately 32-bit OSes have an addressing limit of 3GB. You could buy a 1GB stick to get up to 3GB, which would increase your performance somewhat if you're using Vista (or if you're running several very large apps on XP).
I'd recommend Crucial or Kingston for laptop memory, both have served me well.
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Saifallofjmr Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Burningmace wrote: | Yeah, unfortunately 32-bit OSes have an addressing limit of 3GB. You could buy a 1GB stick to get up to 3GB, which would increase your performance somewhat if you're using Vista (or if you're running several very large apps on XP).
I'd recommend Crucial or Kingston for laptop memory, both have served me well. |
Wow its 4GB you moron.
I would deffo go with a 2x2gb because more RAM is more performance to a certain point.
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Polynomial Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:28 am Post subject: |
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No, it is not 4GB. You're talking about the addressing limit for 32-bit address space, whereas I'm talking about the actual amount you can use. In theory, it should be 4GB, but in practice it is not.
In 32-bit Windows operating systems, each process can only address up to 3GB of physical memory. This is called the memory barrier. Your OS itself will see the 4GB, but you will never actually get to use the final 1GB.
The machine I'm running right now has 4GB of RAM, yet task manager shows 3145204 KB. This is because the task manager process can only see up to the 3GB limit.
Your machine will never allow the processes to access that final 1GB of memory - even if you run two 2GB processes the memory manager will simply page out 500MB or so of each to bring it down to 3GB total physical.
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b004u Advanced Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:25 am Post subject: |
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yeah, i'm gonna install x64.
What product you think I should get? You can choose for me or I might just go with the 2gbx2 kit
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To0k' Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:27 am Post subject: |
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slovach wrote: | Don't bother unless you have a 64 bit OS. | Well, he can still go to 3GB.
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Polynomial Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: |
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b004u - Do you have a 64-bit capable processor? Unless it's an AMD64 or Core 2, the chances are it's not capable.
Check your current RAM speed. It should be written on the stick's label somewhere. If it's the same as the matching pairs, I would just buy another 2GB stick and be done with it. If it's slower than the matching pairs, get them instead and replace the old stick.
Buying a second stick with identical timings is not going to make much difference than buying another stick with different timings, as long as the speed is the same (e.g. PC3200, PC5400, etc).
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b004u Advanced Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Burningmace wrote: | b004u - Do you have a 64-bit capable processor? Unless it's an AMD64 or Core 2, the chances are it's not capable.
Check your current RAM speed. It should be written on the stick's label somewhere. If it's the same as the matching pairs, I would just buy another 2GB stick and be done with it. If it's slower than the matching pairs, get them instead and replace the old stick.
Buying a second stick with identical timings is not going to make much difference than buying another stick with different timings, as long as the speed is the same (e.g. PC3200, PC5400, etc). |
* Maximum Memory Capacity: 4096MB
* Currently Installed Memory: 2GB
* Available Memory Slots: 0
* Total Memory Slots: 2
* Dual Channel Support: Yes
* CPU Manufacturer: AuthenticAMD
* CPU Family: AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 Model 8, Stepping 1
* CPU Speed: 1900 MHz
* Although the memory can be installed one module at a time, the best performance comes from using matched pairs of modules.
currently , my laptop slots are filled with 1gbx2 kits.
This is what im buying x2
Code: | 2GB, 200-pin SODIMM, DDR2 PC2-5300 memory module
CT700955
* Module Size: 2GB
* Package: 200-pin SODIMM
* Feature: DDR2 PC2-5300
* Specs: DDR2 PC2-5300 • CL=5 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR2-667 • 1.8V • 256Meg x 64 • |
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Polynomial Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's perfect. Get the 4GB matched pair and install a 64-bit OS.
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b004u Advanced Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Will I need to prepare a recovery disk if something happens? I'm gonna download a windows vista home premium x64 edition but will it be illegal ?
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Saifallofjmr Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Burningmace wrote: | No, it is not 4GB. You're talking about the addressing limit for 32-bit address space, whereas I'm talking about the actual amount you can use. In theory, it should be 4GB, but in practice it is not.
In 32-bit Windows operating systems, each process can only address up to 3GB of physical memory. This is called the memory barrier. Your OS itself will see the 4GB, but you will never actually get to use the final 1GB.
The machine I'm running right now has 4GB of RAM, yet task manager shows 3145204 KB. This is because the task manager process can only see up to the 3GB limit.
Your machine will never allow the processes to access that final 1GB of memory - even if you run two 2GB processes the memory manager will simply page out 500MB or so of each to bring it down to 3GB total physical. |
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=404352
Please read it and shut up about it is ONLY 4gb.
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b004u Advanced Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Mine is a NVIDA GeForce GO 7150M graphics
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Polynomial Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Saifallofjmr wrote: | http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=404352
Please read it and shut up about it is ONLY 4gb. |
From that thread: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx
User-mode virtual address space for each 32-bit process: 2GB by default or up to 3GB with IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE and 4GT. Each process can only see 3GB at most. Windows itself can see 4GB.
Yes, I agree that the physical memory limit is 4GB, but the extra 1GB is redundant if programs can't use it.
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