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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: What's a good language to start off with? Reply with quote

Hi,
I'm fairly new to the world of programming, I've looked at a bit of java code from Maple's private servers, and taken a beginners course in c++ (I believe a lot of what we learned is pretty outdated though). I'm looking for a language to start off with.
So far I'm downloading Microsoft's VB Express, and VC# Express to take a look at.
Am I making the right choice? Should I start with VB to get a taste of what programming is like? I seem to get the impression that those who program in VB are noobs, but oh well. I've got to start somewhere.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a good language to start off with? Reply with quote

iCrisis wrote:
Hi,
I'm fairly new to the world of programming, I've looked at a bit of java code from Maple's private servers, and taken a beginners course in c++ (I believe a lot of what we learned is pretty outdated though). I'm looking for a language to start off with.
So far I'm downloading Microsoft's VB Express, and VC# Express to take a look at.
Am I making the right choice? Should I start with VB to get a taste of what programming is like? I seem to get the impression that those who program in VB are noobs, but oh well. I've got to start somewhere.

Regards.


VB is a high leveled programming language used by many people for many years. It is NOT a noob language, and whoever says that is plainly wrong.

VB is a good place to start. OO Turing is a super simple, almost stupid language that is good for beginner programmers.

C++ and/or Java are also two other good languages.

Depending on what your goal is, you should pick a language that fits it.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you search you might find alot of good results, many people make the exact thread you just did and it gets answered very often, so I would check that for some answers.


Also, I doubt the c++ you learned is now "outdated". A language's syntax can hardly become outdated. Provide example?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DUDE, YOU SHOULD LEARN JAVA. ACCORDING TO MY TEACHER, IT'S THE WAY OF THE FUTURE, ROBUST, AND MULTI-PLATFORM!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nwongfeiying wrote:
DUDE, YOU SHOULD LEARN JAVA. ACCORDING TO MY TEACHER, IT'S THE WAY OF THE FUTURE, ROBUST, AND MULTI-PLATFORM!


Lol thats what my Java teacher thinks. Good thing im not taking his class. I'd prolly get in an arguement with him about it. Silly AP Comp Science Teachers. Stupid murphy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

manc wrote:
If you search you might find alot of good results, many people make the exact thread you just did and it gets answered very often, so I would check that for some answers.


Also, I doubt the c++ you learned is now "outdated". A language's syntax can hardly become outdated. Provide example?

Perhaps outdated was not the correct word, but many of the examples provided from the book we used to learn were different than examples I found on the internet, which got confusing. IE, programs that did the same thing, and looked more or less the same, but some syntax was different.

@kitterz: Thanks for the reply, Does anyone recommend the "For Dummies" series, I hear they're really helpful, and I've been thinking of getting a copy.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iCrisis wrote:
manc wrote:
If you search you might find alot of good results, many people make the exact thread you just did and it gets answered very often, so I would check that for some answers.


Also, I doubt the c++ you learned is now "outdated". A language's syntax can hardly become outdated. Provide example?

Perhaps outdated was not the correct word, but many of the examples provided from the book we used to learn were different than examples I found on the internet, which got confusing. IE, programs that did the same thing, and looked more or less the same, but some syntax was different.

@kitterz: Thanks for the reply, Does anyone recommend the "For Dummies" series, I hear they're really helpful, and I've been thinking of getting a copy.


Personally, and from I've heard from others, no. There is quite a bit of sources listed in the stickies though, and If you decide on a language people will probably recommend some specific ones.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And of course, no one ever mentions C#


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And of course, no one ever mentions C#


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Would you recommend C#? I finished downloading Visual C# Express edition last night, so I'm debating to start with either VB or C#.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't recommend Visual Basic.

If you want to go down the C++ route I can remember Irwin saying that it's best to learn C first, get a good foothold in that and then move up.

I'm currently learning C#, but if you want a step into .NET and keep with the BASIC idea then Microsoft's new language SmallBasic is derived "from the original BASIC programming language, and is based on the Microsoft .NET platform. It is really small with just 15 keywords and uses minimal concepts to keep the barrier to entry as low as possible".

SmallBasic:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/devlabs/cc950524.aspx

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iCrisis wrote:
Spawnfestis wrote:
And of course, no one ever mentions C#


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Would you recommend C#? I finished downloading Visual C# Express edition last night, so I'm debating to start with either VB or C#.


If you want .NET, i suggest you learn C# instead of VB.
otherwise go with C.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please no no no, Do not go with VB. It's so fuckin confusing.

VB= Shitty Spaghetti language, and theres no structure in it at all. When I used to revise VB for some of my friends, they were all full of goto's, it so confusing.

For basic programming, go with pascal or turing, from there slowly learn c# then c++. After you get C++ you can basically go to any language. I recommend Python Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

c#,vb,java or c++ can do must stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PERL 6 - Multi-Platform compiler,excellent literal programming language..(i love die)..excellent string functions and regular expressions..

AutoIt - easy to learn language with a excellent community..robust automation capabilities.. not multi-Platform(its designed for windows).. but is a good and easy programming language to start off with

MASM - HAS a good community and forums, can be made to be multiplatform with Compiler Intrinsics, has a HIGH learning curve.. but if you can learn ASM then you can learn almost any language easy..

C++ - Used by many many people, examples and most code found online is in C++, HIGH learning curve,easy code flow with high repitition being key..

Each and every language has there benefits and caveats.. the best one isnt always the easiest to learn and is usually mot the first one picked Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BanMe wrote:
PERL 6 - Multi-Platform compiler,excellent literal programming language..(i love die)..excellent string functions and regular expressions..

AutoIt - easy to learn language with a excellent community..robust automation capabilities.. not multi-Platform(its designed for windows).. but is a good and easy programming language to start off with

MASM - HAS a good community and forums, can be made to be multiplatform with Compiler Intrinsics, has a HIGH learning curve.. but if you can learn ASM then you can learn almost any language easy..

C++ - Used by many many people, examples and most code found online is in C++, HIGH learning curve,easy code flow with high repitition being key..

Each and every language has there benefits and caveats.. the best one isnt always the easiest to learn and is usually mot the first one picked Smile

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AutoIT is a scripting language, isn't it.

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