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Microsoft gives up on Vista.(4/4/08)-a bit old

 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Microsoft gives up on Vista.(4/4/08)-a bit old Reply with quote

A bit old but....


The question now isn't "Is Vista Dead?" It is. The real question is: Can Microsoft get Windows 7 out in time to save its desktop domination? I think Microsoft "could" pull it off. Here's how.

Vista is dead.

That's not what Bill Gates said at a seminar on corporate philanthropy in Miami on April 4, but it might as well have been. What Gates actually said, according to the Reuters report, is that he expects that the next desktop version of Windows, Windows 7, would be released "sometime in the next year or so."

Goodbye Vista. It has not been fun knowing you.

I predicted that Microsoft was giving up on Vista in January. It seems I was right. Microsoft's own top brass had hated Vista when it first came out, why should they expect anyone else to like it?

Vista SP1 has proven to be a painful upgrade and its performance still lags behind XP SP2 and, the still unreleased XP SP3. Worse still, from a Microsoft executive's viewpoint, Windows is actually losing desktop market share to Mac OS X and Linux. Microsoft never loses desktop market share. But with Vista Microsoft is finally losing customers.

I think Microsoft saw the handwriting on the wall early on. The company started playing up Windows 7 as early as July 2007. Now, Microsoft's business plan is always to get its customers to upgrade to the next version. It's how they make their billions. But, in this case, Vista was barely out the door.

Can Microsoft actually make a Windows 7 that can ship by 2009 that will win customers? Vista was infamous for its blown deadlines. Windows 7 must not only replace the failed Vista, it has to convince Microsoft's customers that Windows 7 will really be better than XP.

That isn't going to be easy. I find it more than a little telling that Microsoft has given XP Home a new lease on life for UMPC (Ultra Mobile PCs). Still. I think Microsoft has one card up its sleeve that just might keep its customers happy and make it out in 2009: Server 2008 Workstation.

In stark contrast with Vista, Server 2008 works extremely well in eWEEK Labs and in my own Linux-dominated office. Even with some security troubles, Server 2008 is a darn sight better than Vista or Server 2003.

Cleaned and Speeded Up

So, what Microsoft could do is use Server 2008's kernel as the core of Windows 7. On top of that it adds a cleaned and speeded up Aero Glass interface, Silverlight and Internet Explorer 8. At the same time, Microsoft should dump the Vista user interface command structure and return to XP.

One reason why people don't like Vista is not only is it slower than XP, it requires them to relearn how to do bread-and-butter operations. While Microsoft is at it, they can also throw out such annoying 'Vistaisms' as requiring users to answer seemingly endless menu choices on whether they really want to install a program or what have you.

To make darn sure that Windows 7 doesn't have the software compatibility problems that still plague Vista SP1, they can also add an XP compatibility layer. This would actually be an XP VM (virtual machine) running with Server 2008's Hyper-V virtualization. If an application doesn't run with the native Server 8 core, no problem; just automatically run it in the XP VM.

Old Windows hands will recall that Microsoft once used a similar approach in Windows NT 3.5 with a WOW (Windows on Windows) sub-system that let users run Windows 95 applications on NT.

If Microsoft were to take this path, I can actually see the company delivering a new desktop operating system by 2009 that users would actually want to use. If they try, as they did with Vista, to reinvent the desktop operating system wheel, there's no way they'll get anything out until 2011 that users will want to run.

And, by then, Microsoft's problem may be convincing Linux and Mac OS users to come back to Windows rather than trying to get XP users to upgrade.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-gives-up-on-Vista -Source
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i like Vista... and from screenshots leaked, win7 is just Vista with more ribbon call it SP2 if you like
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vista isn't that bad... just turn off UAC and buy another gig of ram for 30$ if you don't have 2 or more already

I've had vista for 6 months (?) and never had any compatability problems (even when running really old things like starcraft)

Thought If you already have windows XP I don't see much of a point in upgrading to vista... it's just flashier-- if you don't like the look of XP just get windowsblinds
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about you look at the date of the article?

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2008-04-04

Vista SP1 has proven to be a painful upgrade and its performance still lags behind XP SP2 and, the still unreleased XP SP3.


http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2303830,00.asp
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vista is fantastic.

The main market is people not too good with pc's, who have been
convinced by rumours that vista is bad.

They've been told that these key ares are horriblle, namely;

Performance - People fail to realise that a 600 buck PC will run vista
beautifully

Drivers - Idiots trying to run their Socket 478 p4's with 256mb of PC-100
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

saw it coming.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frostbyt3 wrote:
Vista is fantastic.

The main market is people not too good with pc's, who have been
convinced by rumours that vista is bad.

They've been told that these key ares are horriblle, namely;

Performance - People fail to realise that a 600 buck PC will run vista
beautifully

Drivers - Idiots trying to run their Socket 478 p4's with 256mb of PC-100
ram
Well Vista only has a shitty rep caz the first versions of vista blew. Vista is great if u got 2+gigs of ram.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

averageazn247 wrote:
Frostbyt3 wrote:
Vista is fantastic.

The main market is people not too good with pc's, who have been
convinced by rumours that vista is bad.

They've been told that these key ares are horriblle, namely;

Performance - People fail to realise that a 600 buck PC will run vista
beautifully

Drivers - Idiots trying to run their Socket 478 p4's with 256mb of PC-100
ram
Well Vista only has a shitty rep caz the first versions of vista blew. Vista is great if u got 2+gigs of ram.
but windows 7 will be better.
i was talking to some microsoft employees at a local mountain bike park and they said:
windows 7 will be compatible with both vista and xp apps, will run faster, consume less ram, and have a slightly improved gui.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Vista too.
I don;t think it should die...
I reckon the should release Windows 7 Free to those who bought Vista...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bioshocked wrote:
I like Vista too.
I don;t think it should die...
I reckon the should release Windows 7 Free to those who bought Vista...

i didn't buy my Vista Neutral making it a windows live update would be good though

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vista is good but i preffer XP But te vista GUI is sick so i always skin my XP 6to get the Vista look.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When i used to XP i also used Vista Transformation Pack and Vista Insparat
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bioshocked wrote:
I like Vista too.
I don;t think it should die...
I reckon the should release Windows 7 Free to those who bought Vista...


it's been easy as fuck to get legit copies of Vista for free.

I have a small pile of business copies, and one ultimate.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't buy Vista,never will.

Probably will get windows 7 when it comes.

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