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Windows Vista x86 Uses 3.3GRAM ?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Windows Vista x86 Uses 3.3GRAM ? Reply with quote

I got a dual channel (800Hz) 4GRAM and i heard that the x86 of Vista uses 3.3GRAM, is there a way to make it fully use the whole 4GRAM cause then it'll be a waste, the label on "System Properties" Shows me 4.0GRAM but i'm not sure if it really does use it all, is there a way i can check ?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it shows it in system properties it should be utilizing it all.

But why aren't you using a 64-bit OS? You still won't be able to use more than 2GB in any given app with a 32-bit even if it does recognize it all.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If it shows it in system properties it should be utilizing it all.

But why aren't you using a 64-bit OS? You still won't be able to use more than 2GB in any given app with a 32-bit even if it does recognize it all.


i never used nor will x64 OS's in my life.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If it shows it in system properties it should be utilizing it all.

But why aren't you using a 64-bit OS? You still won't be able to use more than 2GB in any given app with a 32-bit even if it does recognize it all.


No it does not, out of curiousity I've installed a 32bit version of Vista on a system with 8GB of ram. Before SP1 is show the correct amount Vista sees, but after SP1 it shows the full 8gigs.

From this you can tell a 32bit OS does not utilize all of the ram. It's just to shutup those who keeps on asking "where the hell are my ram"?

to the op...
64bit sooner or later will be the default platform as 32bit gets phased out.
If your not going to use 64bit then go and write your own 32bit OS.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cheetah wrote:
If it shows it in system properties it should be utilizing it all.

But why aren't you using a 64-bit OS? You still won't be able to use more than 2GB in any given app with a 32-bit even if it does recognize it all.


No it does not, out of curiousity I've installed a 32bit version of Vista on a system with 8GB of ram. Before SP1 is show the correct amount Vista sees, but after SP1 it shows the full 8gigs.

From this you can tell a 32bit OS does not utilize all of the ram. It's just to shutup those who keeps on asking "where the hell are my ram"?

to the op...
64bit sooner or later will be the default platform as 32bit gets phased out.
If your not going to use 64bit then go and write your own 32bit OS.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he's right, everything will be 64bit eventually (maybe not some linux distos)
why do you say you have never used and never will use 64bit anyway? there's nothing wrong with it...

expect windows7 to be 64bit only btw

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techincally, Vista can use up to 4GB of RAM, but only 3GB of RAM for usermode applications, and that's only if the 3GB switch is used. You shouldn't update to x64 just because you have 4GB of RAM. The extra performance from 1GB of RAM is minimal compared to the program incompatibilities you will face with x64.

Maybe in a few years when 16GB of RAM is the standard, then x64 is feasible.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Techincally, Vista can use up to 4GB of RAM, but only 3GB of RAM for usermode applications, and that's only if the 3GB switch is used. You shouldn't update to x64 just because you have 4GB of RAM. The extra performance from 1GB of RAM is minimal compared to the program incompatibilities you will face with x64.

Maybe in a few years when 16GB of RAM is the standard, then x64 is feasible.


When 16GRAM will be standard, it will be the year 3000 lol, modern hosting servers with Linux have like MAX 8GRAM or abit more.

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he's right, everything will be 64bit eventually (maybe not some linux distos)
why do you say you have never used and never will use 64bit anyway? there's nothing wrong with it...

expect windows7 to be 64bit only btw


the reason i'm not moving to x64 OS's is because of the compatibility issues, no !
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time I used a x64 bit OS was 2 years ago.

Issues with program compatability are almost non-existant for me and my favourite apps at this point.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the reason i'm not moving to x64 OS's is because of the compatibility issues, no !


Every new thing has compatibility issues in the start, that's why updates exist... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enterprise systems, servers, workstations, and even supercomputers have way more than 16GB of ram. The IBM BlueGene/L has 73728GB.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude. you better learn what x86 is. Is is not like x64 and x32.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rot1 wrote:
rapion124 wrote:
Techincally, Vista can use up to 4GB of RAM, but only 3GB of RAM for usermode applications, and that's only if the 3GB switch is used. You shouldn't update to x64 just because you have 4GB of RAM. The extra performance from 1GB of RAM is minimal compared to the program incompatibilities you will face with x64.

Maybe in a few years when 16GB of RAM is the standard, then x64 is feasible.


When 16GRAM will be standard, it will be the year 3000 lol, modern hosting servers with Linux have like MAX 8GRAM or abit more.

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he's right, everything will be 64bit eventually (maybe not some linux distos)
why do you say you have never used and never will use 64bit anyway? there's nothing wrong with it...

expect windows7 to be 64bit only btw


the reason i'm not moving to x64 OS's is because of the compatibility issues, no !


16GB standard isn't as far away as you'd think... Not too long ago 256mb was considered a lot of RAM.

Concerning 64-bit operating systems, it sounds to me like you're just ignorant.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are very few compatibility issues on Windows Vista x64.

The 64-bit problems that you speak of come from Windows XP 64-bit Edition, which was simply patched and modified to support the 64-bit address space. Vista was built from the ground up to be AMD64 and Itanium (IA-64) compatible. As far as I know, you can still in fact run 32-bit hardware drivers for most peripherals. All your 32-bit applications will run in an emulated mode on a 64-bit OS (task manager displays them as "MyApplication.exe * 32").

The reason for the memory limitation on 32-bit systems is that you simply cannot reference a memory location higher than 2^32 (which is 4GB). The reason you only see 3.2GB on your system is that your chipset reserves a portion of the memory for the GPU to use (the CPU has to talk to the GPU via the RAM and GART). On a 64-bit system, you can address memory as far up as 2^64, which is 17179869184 gigabytes (or 16 exabytes). Not something that'll be used up any time soon.

If you install 8GB of memory on a system running a 64-bit OS, it is likely to be able to see and use 7.2GB of memory (remember that that other ~800MB is used by the chipset and GART).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burningmace wrote:
There are very few compatibility issues on Windows Vista x64.

The reason for the memory limitation on 32-bit systems is that you simply cannot reference a memory location higher than 2^32 (which is 4GB). The reason you only see 3.2GB on your system is that your chipset reserves a portion of the memory for the GPU to use (the CPU has to talk to the GPU via the RAM and GART). On a 64-bit system, you can address memory as far up as 2^64, which is 17179869184 gigabytes (or 16 exabytes). Not something that'll be used up any time soon.

If you install 8GB of memory on a system running a 64-bit OS, it is likely to be able to see and use 7.2GB of memory (remember that that other ~800MB is used by the chipset and GART).


You can't access the full 64 bits of memory on a 64 bit CPU, it's limited to 48, likely for die space savings, etc.

And no, RAM doesn't go missing, you have more than enough room to map it all somewhere, unlike X86
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