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jedi_master How do I cheat?
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: Adresses in games |
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How can I find adress in game that changes evrey time it has other value?
In tutorial there is two buttons. One for change value, one for change pointer. But there are only one way of change value in game, so I can't find pointer to any value. Finally, my question: Are there any ways to find pointer
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rohagymeg Advanced Cheater
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: . |
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Is your problem that in that game for example your score increases very fast?
Because there are different ways to search for values.
Or, can you pause the game?
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jedi_master How do I cheat?
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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No. Value may changes whenever I want.
In my problem every time when adress change, point changes too.
Is there any way to change and frezze value when I can;' find correct adress I means I can't find pointer to ex: HP.
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Thlump Grandmaster Cheater
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jedi_master How do I cheat?
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thlump, you n00b. Did I say that is in the step 6 CE Tutorial? NO!!! My acident is in the game! When I try to find value in first scan, many adresses founds. But next scan didn't find any adresses. Think, Thlump. There isn't any "Change value button". There is only monsters, that decraeses valy and changing point every time they hit me.
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rohagymeg Advanced Cheater
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: . |
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It can't be the problem that changing the address of pointer every time you get hit. You are just tipping but its not the reality.
First try NOT exact scan because it's not sure that game stores your health in the same value so search for it as unknown and in/dec value!!!!
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Thlump Grandmaster Cheater
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Jedi, you're the noob, because you call me a noob when my post count is almost 200 times bigger than your post count. Oh and the link in my first post of this topic answered the last question of your first post in this topic.
/facepalm
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jedi_master How do I cheat?
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Oh, Thlump, Thlump.....
[quote="Thlump"] Jedi, you're the noob, because you call me a noob when my post count is almost 200 times bigger than your post count. Oh and the link in my first post of this topic answered the last question of your first post in this topic.
Thlump, post count isn't size of anybody's IQ or how good are you in using CE. Think, use your brain! Post count isn't "How much clever you are" as you thought, post count is "How many posts you have in forum". I thought that people that know how to run CE.exe with double click like you knows what post count means in english language. Finally that's means that you're n00b..., or you wrote your post in some kind of African language. Definitally, you're n00b.
rohagymeg wrote: | ...so search for it as unknown and in/dec value!!!!
Rohagymeg, you're brilliant clever (much more than Thlump)!!!!!!!!! |
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Thlump Grandmaster Cheater
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Wow I'm sorry for flaming. But I have a question. Why do you flame me when I gave you the answer to your question?
And by question, I mean this:
Quote: | Are there any ways to find pointer |
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Frost_ONE Advanced Cheater
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Thlump wrote: | Wow I'm sorry for flaming. But I have a question. Why do you flame me when I gave you the answer to your question?
And by question, I mean this:
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I think this guy means "How can i find pointers in-game when there isn't a change pointer button?"
I want to know that too
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Thlump Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Of coruse you can. Just use the pointer scanner. Simple as that.
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Casteele How do I cheat?
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Adresses in games |
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jedi_master wrote: | How can I find adress in game that changes evrey time it has other value?
In tutorial there is two buttons. One for change value, one for change pointer. But there are only one way of change value in game, so I can't find pointer to any value. Finally, my question: Are there any ways to find pointer  |
Back to the original question (and my answer reflects other comments made since..)
In direct answer to what was asked, as Thlump said, there are many ways to find pointers in games, especially the "Find Pointer" function. However, I do not think what the OP asked was what he or she really meant..
Jedi: As described, the value you want to find seems to change, right? That is, you do a scan ("New Scan") then do something in the game that changes the value, and filter the scan ("Next Scan"). However, your second scan is coming up with no results.. Is this correct? If so, read the rest of this.. If not, ignore the rest and clarify what you want..
The fact that the second scan comes up empty could mean a couple of different things.
First, you could simply be searching for the wrong value. What you see on screen in the game is not always the same way something is stored in memory. Using your example, "HP", which I assume means "Hit Points" for a game which you play a character with hit points.. Internally, the game may encode your hit points with other values. This could be done many ways, but two come to mind right away: 1) The game doesn't store your current hit points, it only stores your total hit points, and how much DAMAGE you have taken, rather than how many hit points you have left, or 2) the game encodes the value, and one or more other values, into a single value. Or even a combination of both; For example, "12506" in a WORD/16-bit value could be decoded to mean 125 total hit points, but you've taken 6 points of damage, which results in 119 remaining hit points. So if you're searching for "125" then "119", you'll never find it because the game never stores it like that in memory. But this example is just one of many ways data can be encoded by games.
Second, it could be as you suspect; The data you want is stored somewhere that is referenced by a pointer, which may change as the game runs. Finding that pointer can be easy sometimes (it rarely changes while the game is running), or hard (it can change 30 times a second, so even the "Find Pointer" function won't help because the pointer is already different by the time you try to find it).
[Incidentally, if any game designers are reading this and decide to do the changing pointers trick to try to defeat programs like CE--Don't do it--Find a different way. The overhead of allocating, moving, deallocating, etc, the blocks of memory will negatively affect your game's performance even on high-speed CPUs. Besides, somewhere, somehow, the game needs to know where to find the data. If the game knows, then someone will figure out how the game knows and create a cheat to do the same thing the game does. So you'll only be sacrificing game performance for pretty much nothing. ]
Anyhow, if you're finding 100+ possible locations on the first search then zero on the next, and you're absolutely certain you're looking for the correct data, then you're pretty much going to have to try some more advanced techniques--which I won't go into detail here; Rather, I'd suggest you learn assembly language and get some experience in how games are written before trying to hack this game again..
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