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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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HornyAZNBoy wrote:
Pros:
Save a lot of space on your hard drive.

Cons:
Can't use system restore.



Con: you get a virus and your now fucked

Not really, if you disable system restore after you got the virus and get rid of it, you're no longer fucked. But I agree, if you get a virus while system restore is on, you're fucked.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pros:
Save a lot of space on your hard drive.

Cons:
Can't use system restore.



Con: you get a virus and your now fucked



pro's: you can still have a restore point saved even though its switched off, also can use windows backup so your not fucked,

con: your fucked if you have it on all the time cos the virus will be locked in your system volume Information ready to re-infect you at some point and your anti-virus can't touch it unless you disable the volumes protection

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thlump wrote:
HEROXOOT wrote:
HornyAZNBoy wrote:
Pros:
Save a lot of space on your hard drive.

Cons:
Can't use system restore.



Con: you get a virus and your now fucked

Not really, if you disable system restore after you got the virus and get rid of it, you're no longer fucked. But I agree, if you get a virus while system restore is on, you're fucked.
How are you fucked if its on? If its on then you can restore it to befoe the virus?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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HEROXOOT wrote:
HornyAZNBoy wrote:
Pros:
Save a lot of space on your hard drive.

Cons:
Can't use system restore.



Con: you get a virus and your now fucked

Not really, if you disable system restore after you got the virus and get rid of it, you're no longer fucked. But I agree, if you get a virus while system restore is on, you're fucked.
How are you fucked if its on? If its on then you can restore it to befoe the virus?

Damn, I thought you said that getting a virus while system restore is on fucked up. Will, actually it is, because if you use system restore when you have a virus, the virus will still be there. This is because Windows "protects" files when system restore is on. Yes I agree on how retarded Windows is. Not sure for Vista though because I don't have it

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea but it makes a restore point every few days. So even if it logs a virus i can reset farther and it will over write the virus.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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HEROXOOT wrote:
HornyAZNBoy wrote:
Pros:
Save a lot of space on your hard drive.

Cons:
Can't use system restore.



Con: you get a virus and your now fucked



pro's: you can still have a restore point saved even though its switched off, also can use windows backup so your not fucked,

con: your fucked if you have it on all the time cos the virus will be locked in your system volume Information ready to re-infect you at some point and your anti-virus can't touch it unless you disable the volumes protection



a snippet cos I get fed up sometimes explaining simple shit


System Restore is also unlikely to correct a problem caused by a virus infected system file. If a virus is present, you need to disable System Restore (see below), restart your PC, remove the virus using your antivirus software, then re-enable System restore if required.


here's the begginers link

http://www.geocities.com/tmbzone_cfb/system_restore.htm

google any site including microsoft and they will tell you

system restore does not get rid of viruses, if anything it locks them up in the protected system volume information,


you are told to disable system restore, restart your computer so that your anti-virus can finally delete the viruses or trojans,

I do hope that clears up the system restore virus discussion,

if in doubt google system restore virus and look at the microsoft link that comes up,
bill gates crew themselves will tell you system restore does not fucking get rid of viruses it saves them and protects them from your fucking antivirus

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unlikely? Ive used it alot of times to fix a viruses doing. It doesnt help on xp but for vista it pretty much does always.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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unlikely? Ive used it alot of times to fix a viruses doing. It doesnt help on xp but for vista it pretty much does always.


well 90% of people still use xp and most vista users now want to duel boot with xp so that is who needs clearing up about viruses on system restore most,

also you say you clear up viruses on vista with system restore,
yes hopefully microsoft has cleared up that problem at long last then with vista,


the thing is though...
I thought vista was supposed to be harder to get viruses on,
to get a virus installed on vista you have to give it permission to install same as for a protected admin account on xp,

so any viruses you have got on your vista pc you must be clicking that ok button a lot Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

id dual boot xp but everytime i try it runs into a problem. Im having problems with the disc being bootable.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So if you disable System restore which deletes a big .sys file, How much space do you save?


System Restore can take upto 7gigs of space with check points. Most software now that comes with an installer sometimes will ask you to create restore points and such. (Major software.) It adds up quickly.

And as others have already said, if you get a virus with system restore on, that DOES NOT mean you will get rid of it after the restore. If you have to save your computer with system restore, you are doing something wrong. And if you have to do it often, you need to get a virus scanner or something of the store. I have never used or had it turned on after having spent numerous times fixing others computers attempting to use it and have it fail or not do shit to help the problem.

My system install of Windows on this machine is over a year old, never had an issue, and never used or turned on System Restore. You really don't need it if you actually use your brain and don't download everything you see on the net. Use safe browsers like Firefox and not IE. Turn off Java and other stupid things. Get plugins that prevent ads, such as faggot for Firefox. Theres lots of things you can do to prevent having issues and not needing System Restore.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

system restore is only essential if you open every file that ses you can win something, or will enhance your P.C some-how
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

me wrote:
me wrote:
HEROXOOT wrote:
HornyAZNBoy wrote:
Pros:
Save a lot of space on your hard drive.

Cons:
Can't use system restore.



Con: you get a virus and your now fucked



pro's: you can still have a restore point saved even though its switched off, also can use windows backup so your not fucked,

con: your fucked if you have it on all the time cos the virus will be locked in your system volume Information ready to re-infect you at some point and your anti-virus can't touch it unless you disable the volumes protection



a snippet cos I get fed up sometimes explaining simple shit


System Restore is also unlikely to correct a problem caused by a virus infected system file. If a virus is present, you need to disable System Restore (see below), restart your PC, remove the virus using your antivirus software, then re-enable System restore if required.


here's the begginers link

http://www.geocities.com/tmbzone_cfb/system_restore.htm

google any site including microsoft and they will tell you

system restore does not get rid of viruses, if anything it locks them up in the protected system volume information,


you are told to disable system restore, restart your computer so that your anti-virus can finally delete the viruses or trojans,

I do hope that clears up the system restore virus discussion,

if in doubt google system restore virus and look at the microsoft link that comes up,
bill gates crew themselves will tell you system restore does not fucking get rid of viruses it saves them and protects them from your fucking antivirus


sometimes system restore does get rid of viruses or annoying programs that are hard to remove fully from your system. it hasn't failed me yet.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok then your happy thats all that counts,

just a final snippet for fun though


So what exactly does System Restore do? Let's start with what it doesn't do... System Restore WILL NOT remove or modify any personal data files such as word processor documents, spreadsheets, music & photos, web favorites, emails, etc. More specifically, files in the My Documents folder will never be touched. If you are unsure as to whether a file will be affected by System Restore, keep it in that folder. System Restore WILL affect your Windows system settings (the Windows Registry), protected system files, and recently installed software.


mmm yummy
now if I was to write a virus...oooo nice safe places to put them so SR dont touch them,
ooooo bet there are better places than that as well.

still never mind, Im talking to brick walls here,
maybe if you got vista it does a better job of getting rid of viruses but I dont touch vista so not my area,

I know that in the last few years I have not had a virus infection on my pc's, last time I got maleware and viruses I decided to set up windows properly with admin/limited accounts and turn off risky shit services but still am careful what I download regardless, just in case some clever arse has found a new buffer overflow or something,

the couple of times I have downloaded infected software it has not been able to install itself and it has been shredded when found,

but lets again be clear

system restore does not destroy any files,
system restore takes your pc back to a previous state,
during system restore you are told you can undo these changes back to before the system restore point

lets do a bit of sherlock holmes deduction here and go back over that last statement
during system restore you are told you can undo these changes back to before the system restore point

those files must still be on your harddrive for system restore to be able to undo the last restore point, including those infected files,

anyway if bill gates and microsoft cant convince you you wont listen to me,
to be honest I dont think 99% of people can be bothered to read those links that tell it how it is,

now if your happy that system restore and some anti-virus will solve all your problems like a few billion other people with constantly infected machines are,
then that is not my problem,

I'm virus free, trojan free, maleware free and I got my system with all the drivers and software I need backed up in case of hardware failure,

its no good me saying anymore that system restore dont destroy viruses cos you beleive it does,
system restore is a handy tool for a lot of problems but as a virus killer it is not.

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