Cheat Engine

realrbn · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:29 pm Post subject:

I'm pretty sure that nobody on here can give you a final Answer. You should really contact an attorney and ask him/her what they say about it.

++METHOS · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:00 pm Post subject:

++METHOS · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:11 pm Post subject:

Most larger developers are going to be concerned about their bottom line and protecting profits for themselves, their shareholders and investors etc.. Altering a game to the extent that other people notice is probably not likely to occur, as online games will usually handle that kind of data server-side, and altering server-sided data is illegal. If you do manage to alter client-side data locally, that other people are able to notice, then you risk getting sued for loss of profits because they may claim that your distributed 'hack' has caused them to lose subscribers. All they need is a few complaints to prove that. More than likely, they will just issue a patch in lieu of taking legal action - assuming you don't keep rewriting your hack to circumvent that.

If a small, indie developer gets annoyed that you're distributing a tool that alters their offline 'masterpiece', what can they really do about it? Sue you for bruising their ego? You're not distributing their work.

But, again, it really depends on the circumstances.

JohnathanSweeney · Newbie cheater Reputation: 1 Joined: 04 Apr 2016 Posts: 20

This is not legal advice, as I am not an attorney:

Read the End User Liscense. In most cases you have paid for a liscense for your game and own the local copy of it on your computer. Modifying this data is modifying something that you own the liscense to. If you agree to terms and they include "Not Reverse Engineering" the software then violating these terms that you have agreed to can result in legal rammifications. For instance EA games includes a clause about reverse engineering in their Terms of Service:

++METHOS · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:50 pm Post subject:

Sigh...

Arondai · Newbie cheater Reputation: 0 Joined: 20 Feb 2016 Posts: 12

Zanzer · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:04 pm Post subject:

Everything is legal until you get caught!

SunBeam · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:31 am Post subject:

Here's a decent opinion: do you think that code you're "re-using", 'borrowed' from game's engine, is not reused from a different other product/game by the game developers? Ask yourself that before focusing on your persona Smile

BR,
Sun

P.S.: Had some similar thoughts at some point, but took me 2-3 minutes to establish no one will give a fuck. Unless they patented that code.. but who does that?..

STN

SunBeam · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:11 am Post subject:

In 3 words, Blizzard is retarded. I fail to see the point in banning single-player cheating.

Furthermore, the question raised here is "how did Blizzard know he's cheating in SP?" - I thought single-player involved no need for an online account (transmitting data to Blizzard). Then Blizzard can easily be sued for gathering information from the user's PC (let's face it, that's what it really is, no matter the means to acquire it - inside or outside the proprietary software). If I were gm0ney, I would focus on that.

Not only do we pay for the software (game), we're also bound to certain rules. Bitch, please.. you got my money.. let me do what I want. Again, in single-player, not online (I doubt cheats work online).

BR,
Sun

STN · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:43 am Post subject:

I agree 100% but this is what every other game company seems to be doing. Look at ubishit viz the division and EA

ParkourPenguin · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:56 am Post subject:

You have the right to do whatever you want as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others.

That's a paradoxical statement, but thinking of it on a case-by-case basis usually works out. If you cheat in a self-contained environment free of any outside interaction (e.g. multiplayer, invalidating microtransactions and/or DLC, highscore submitting, violating copyright laws), then modifying the game in any way you want should be fine because it's yours. Of course, there are still questions that need to be answered: what defines "outside interaction"? Is the EULA itself infringing on your rights? What exactly are you buying when you purchase a game? This is where lawyers come into play.

In my opinion (regardless if you want it or not), a developer filing any type of injunction against you for cheating on account of solely their own philosophy is both egotistical and an infringement of your rights. When you purchase a game, you are purchasing a copy of the bytes that constitute the game. You are free to modify that copy for your own purposes by adding or removing bytes however you want insofar as doing so does not infringe on the rights of others. It's like if you buy a sandwich- you're free to add or remove anything you want to or from it as long as you don't do something like steal ingredients or proclaim it as your own creation.

SunBeam · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:14 am Post subject: