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lylcheat
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 Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:48 am Post subject: CE Driver Certificate for Win10 and Poor Dark Byte |
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M$hit has tightened the driver signing policy for windows 10,
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windows_hardware_certification/archive/2015/04/01/driver-signing-changes-in-windows-10.aspx
In particular, Dark Byte will soon need a EV Code Signing Certificate to sign his CE driver in order for it to run in Windows 10. In short, EV Code Signing Certificate is something very expensive >$500/year
Does it mean Cheat Engine will soon not be supported in Win10 given that Dark Byte can't even afford an AMD system and upgrade DBVM to support AMD?
Should we donate enough money for him to get a EV Code Signing Cert first?
| Quote: | | Please note, the current implementation of DBVM requires your cpu to support the intel-vt instruction set. For a AMD version please donate enough money so I can buy a AMD system to test the AMD specific code on. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:22 am Post subject: |
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The typical response here is:
- Configure your system to allow unsigned drivers to load.
- Sign the driver yourself.
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Dark Byte
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Dbvm supports amd (one system, but that counts)
also the ev code signing certificate isn't the problem, but apparently drivers need to get sent to microsoft for validation before it gets signed.
This means they might deny CE's driver
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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This may just open them up to more lawsuits.
Anyway, driver signature enforcement hasn't been enabled on my computer for a long time.
Also, I've not used windows 10, but I hear it's a pile of adware. I hope this will push more people to Linux. |
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grtnd
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ++METHOS wrote: | This may just open them up to more lawsuits.
Anyway, driver signature enforcement hasn't been enabled on my computer for a long time.
Also, I've not used windows 10, but I hear it's a pile of adware. I hope this will push more people to Linux. |
doesn't that open up the oppurtunity for any kind of malware with admin access to install a driven and get SYSTEM priviliges?
kind of risky if you ask me |
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Gniarf
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@grtnd: Think of it this way: if a large majority of people have driver signature enforcement enabled, then a malware maker will not bother writing a virus that requires this feature to be disabled. And if he did, his payload would have an hard time proliferating.
As far as I'm concerned I don't use dbvm at all, and I stick with win 7.
In the worst case scenario it should be possible to automate the process of self-signing the driver, which could be done during the installation.
Or CE could run command to enable test mode in background and prompt the user for a reboot.
Don't know if win 10 is full of adware, but if it's free for home users then the money has to come from somewhere, like for f2p/p2w games. But I'm pretty sure that if it's full of crap, then people will find a way to remove it, 'coz the server version of this OS likely doesn't have them.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| grtnd wrote: | | kind of risky if you ask me |
-Risk is subjective.  |
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Dark Byte
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Gniarf wrote: | | but if it's free for home users then the money has to come from somewhere, like for f2p/p2w games. But I'm pretty sure that if it's full of crap |
which is one of the reasons MS might block CE
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Gniarf wrote: | | @grtnd: Think of it this way: if a large majority of people have driver signature enforcement enabled, then a malware maker will not bother writing a virus that requires this feature to be disabled. And if he did, his payload would have an hard time proliferating. |
but malware makers know that there are a few people out there who don't enforce driver signature. and in their eyes, those people are gold nuggets. you could install a rootkit that's as hard to remove as government malware, and then proceed to infect/exploit all the other machines on their LAN network. maybe even penetrate and take over the BIOS? yeah, all that because you were so foolish to give SYSTEM priviliges away like that. task manager won't be saving you then. |
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grtnd-
If my system was compromised so badly that I could not just wipe everything and start over, I would be impressed. Anyway, your sentiment may differ if you are using your computer for online banking or other personal things. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| grtnd wrote: | | but malware makers know that there are a few people out there who don't enforce driver signature. and in their eyes, those people are gold nuggets. you could install a rootkit that's as hard to remove as government malware, and then proceed to infect/exploit all the other machines on their LAN. |
We're talking about a malware that requires driver certification check to be disabled, so it would only infect the other "gold nuggets" on the LAN, if any, and we are having this discussion under the assumption that "a large majority of people have driver signature enforcement enabled".
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Even if driver signature enforcement is enabled, it is just a piece of cake for a good rootkit writer to bypass it. Trust me. The loophole is simple and unpatchable for the forseeable future
http://www.slideshare.net/Cameroon45/isgameover |
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