Cheat Engine

xpertvision · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:30 am Post subject: How you guys pack your trainers?

like the title says , i want to know what tools you guys use to pack your trainers after they are done

EX: imagine you do a trainer with cheat 5.6.1 when you finally make the finally .exe file you guys use a packer to encrypt and pack it again (to hide or protect the trainer)

what kind of tools you guys use? (tools undetected by antivirus by preference)

thanks.

atom0s · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:56 am Post subject:

Don't bother, nothing commercial is going to protect your trainer.
Everything on the market is cracked / crackable.

If you don't want to risk options being stolen, simply don't release it.

Slugsnack · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:04 am Post subject:

As above. However you can use obfuscation and virtualisation to deter the majority of noobs. I used to use VMProtect. However you must realise that a common way of ripping hacks is simply by memory dumps and comparison. There is not much you can do against these.. You end up having to protect the very process that you are trying to hack.

hcavolsdsadgadsg · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:54 am Post subject:

I don't use anything and don't really care.

xpertvision · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:36 am Post subject:

me too i really dont care about people see my stuff but the reason i asked this is becouse i want to Uncrypt other trainers to see what they have done Smile

sometimes there is good ideas there... and from what i have seen i cant open other people trainers... (only can open the ones i do myself with CH 5.6.1)

well im a noob in this anyway

DELTA10FY · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:19 am Post subject:

These doubts it is what happens when you dedicate time to your things, I do not use anything to protect since if one wants really something sure that is constructed by if only Wink

xpertvision · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:22 pm Post subject:

AhMunRa · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject:

Of course since it's open source, you could download the source and find the method used when the "Prevent re-opening" tickbox is checked. Assuming it doesn't auto obfuscate the binary you could reverse it.

DELTA10FY · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:50 pm Post subject:

[quote="xpertvision"]

atom0s · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:41 pm Post subject:

The protection CE does to the options is just some xoring which can be fully undone. CE writes the trainer information to an overlay which is appended to the end of the file. The executable just interprets the overlay and creates the design at runtime based on whats contained inside it.

Since CE is open source, as AhMunRa said, you can completely reverse the 'encoding' and unprotect any protected trainer. I wrote a tool to do it to help with catching rippers a while back. (I'm not releasing it since it will just help rippers etc.)

Keep in mind though the new version of CE is going to be doing trainers differently so you will need to relook at the source to do it for new trainers as well if you plan on writing your own tool.

xpertvision · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject:

pkedpker · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:05 pm Post subject:

Download CheatEngine source code and figure out how it creates trainers.. how it uses passwords etc.. and then you can reverse the trainer you want to open in CE easily.

You can even compile your own Cheat Engine modified edition to skip the Go away!! errors. (I am assuming it's simple conditional noob protection).