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Vampire Auriakor
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:53 am Post subject: Windows 7 or Vista?

Me and my older brother want a new computer for christmas, but we dont know if we should get windows 7 or vista, i have vista on my laptop but i cannot play great games due to it being a crappy computer with a shit graphics card. Vista is alright and can play many games, but will windows 7 play as many games or would it need an update? basicly which should we get. _________________

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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:21 am Post subject:

Get Windows 7, it's far better that vista, it can play the same amount of games and whatever.

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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject:

Get windows 7 unless you actually have a high powered computer. Vista is ment for a high power gaming pc, not a crappy xp based pc.

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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:03 pm Post subject:

There's not really even a question here.

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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject:

Hero wrote:

Get windows 7 unless you actually have a high powered computer. Vista is ment for a high power gaming pc, not a crappy xp based pc.

What? If you have a "high power gaming pc" Win 7 would be superior too. There's really no reason to hang onto Vista anymore.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject:

Hero wrote:

Get windows 7 unless you actually have a high powered computer. Vista is ment for a high power gaming pc, not a crappy xp based pc.

Not true. Win7>Vista on any computer, crappy or high-end.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject:

elpacco wrote:

Hero wrote:

Get windows 7 unless you actually have a high powered computer. Vista is ment for a high power gaming pc, not a crappy xp based pc.

Not true. Win7>Vista on any computer, crappy or high-end.

My buddy has a vista pc running 6gb ram, forgot the processor, and an HD videocard ATI that he had to buy a 680W PSU just to use. The thing flies faster then any windows 7 pc ive seen so far. Alot of computer stores are full of win7 pcs now. His CPU isnt a cheapo either.

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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject:

Hero wrote:

elpacco wrote:

Hero wrote:

Get windows 7 unless you actually have a high powered computer. Vista is ment for a high power gaming pc, not a crappy xp based pc.

Not true. Win7>Vista on any computer, crappy or high-end.

Have you seen a computer with the exact same specs run Win7?

It runs the same or even better than Vista.

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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject:

Hero wrote:

elpacco wrote:

Hero wrote:

Get windows 7 unless you actually have a high powered computer. Vista is ment for a high power gaming pc, not a crappy xp based pc.

Not true. Win7>Vista on any computer, crappy or high-end.

Tell him it's time to get Windows 7.

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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject:

Hero wrote:

elpacco wrote:

Hero wrote:

Get windows 7 unless you actually have a high powered computer. Vista is ment for a high power gaming pc, not a crappy xp based pc.

Not true. Win7>Vista on any computer, crappy or high-end.

So because you've seen a high-end computer with Vista and you haven't seen really any Win7 PCs because it came out 4 days ago and not that many people have it, you assume that Vista is faster?

Can't beat that logic.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject:

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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject:

Zarr wrote:

I've concluded by this point that Hero is a troll.

I don't think so for this thread...

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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject:

Hero, I think you've been brainwashed. Win7 is wayyyy better than Vista. Win7 can also run as many games as Vista right now...

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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:35 am Post subject:

Anandtech pretty much sum it up quite nicely.

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7 vs. Vista

I’ve never been entirely convinced that Microsoft was looking to significantly move away from Vista with Windows 7, and the final release version has not changed that. Win7 certainly has a number of new features, some of them such as the interface overhaul are even big enough to be classified as “major”, but none of them are important enough to be significant.

The analogy I’d like to use here to call Windows 7 Vista’s XP, but even there the change from 2000 to XP was more significant. There are a number of edge cases where this isn’t the case, but overall, in the general case, Windows 7 just isn’t a significant change from Windows Vista. The inclusion of more audio/video codecs is the only improvement that I think most users are going to encounter and benefit from.

Now as for the edge cases:

HTPC: If you’re using Windows Media Center to drive an HTPC, the changes to WMC are significant enough to justify an upgrade, particularly if you’re a cable TV user.

Low-End Hardware: We’ve seen this one ourselves – Win7 does much better here on marginal hardware. The only catch is that on such hardware the computer probably isn’t worth much more than the upgrade copy of Windows. Certainly Win7 is a better fit, but so is completely replacing such hardware.

Laptops: Windows 7 has better battery life than Vista, resumes from hibernation sooner, and given the lower performance of laptops often benefits from the better performance of Win7 on such hardware. If you need to squeeze out every minute of battery life or every point of performance, then it’s upgrade time. In fact laptops users are certainly going to be the easiest group to sell upgrades to, since Win7 consistently does so well.

Ultimately the issue with upgrading anything else is the price of a Windows 7 upgrade. It’s $110. So was Vista. And Vista was a much more profound change than Win7 is, bringing UAC, DirectX 10, Aero, and the other big features that are still prominent with Win7 today. Win7 isn’t a big enough upgrade for most Vista users given the price. If Microsoft did something similar to Apple and charged $30 or so for it, then it would become cheap enough to justify an upgrade even with the minor differences, but unless you’re eligible for a student upgrade ($30), then that isn’t going to happen. The closest Microsoft has come to that is the $50 pre-order sale, and the ship already sailed on that months ago.

In some degree of fairness, Microsoft is between a rock and a hard place here. XP is also a valid OS to upgrade from, and $30 to go from XP to Win7 would be ridiculously cheap. Not that we’d complain, but it’s not realistic. Microsoft’s other option would be to have different upgrade editions for XP and Vista, and while this is more reasonable the confusion it would cause would probably not be worth it.

With all of that said, this applies just to upgrades. The bottom line is that unlike the XP to Vista transition, I can’t fathom any good reason why anyone using a computer bigger than a netbook would want to stick to Vista. Win7 runs well and we haven’t encountered any software or hardware compatibility problems. Meanwhile it doesn’t bring with it any pitfalls like Vista did, so using Win7 on a new computer as opposed to Vista is the closest thing to a no-brainer that we’re going to see today. If you wanted Vista, you’re going to want Windows 7 instead.

7 vs. XP

If Windows 7 wasn’t meant to light a fire under Vista users, then it’s XP users that are the target. Microsoft couldn’t get them to move to Vista, so this is their second and possibly last real chance to move them before they become their own permanent faction of die-hard users. And to be frank, if Win7 succeeds here, it’s not going to be because of technical measures.

The vast majority of big improvements in Windows came with Vista, not with Win7. Microsoft did fix some edge cases for Win7 such as marginal performance and laptop battery life, but the dissent over Vista went far beyond those edge cases. If your hardware didn’t work under Vista, it still won’t under Win7. If you didn’t like UAC, you still won’t like it under Win7. If you found XP to be snappier than Vista even on a fast computer, then you’ll still find XP to be snappier than Win7. At best, if your software didn’t work under Vista, it might work under Win7 if you can put up with the Windows XP Mode virtual machine.

So if Win7 succeeds where Vista failed, it’s going to be because of marketing and word of mouth. It will be Microsoft convincing users that Win7 is great before anyone can convince them otherwise, because if that negative mindset were to set in, it can’t be erased no matter how good any of the service packs are. Vista had its problems, but what kept it down since SP1 was word of mouth much more than it was technical issues for edge cases.

The one exception to this is netbook users, and as we didn’t get a chance to test any netbooks, we’re not going to make any judgments. If Microsoft has Win7 to the point where it performs comfortably on the average netbook, then they’re going to be in a much better position than if it crawls like Vista. In which case the bigger problem will be weaning OEMs off of cheap XP licenses.

On a proper system, Vista has always been the better choice for Windows. So our recommendation isn’t really changing here. If you’re not on Windows Vista or Windows 7, you should be. XP has been outdated for quite some time.

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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject:

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Hero, I think you've been brainwashed.

Win7 is wayyyy better than Vista.

Win7 can also run as many games as Vista right now...

moar actually since u can virtual xp which lets u play old stoff liek StarCraft. However does anyone know if w7 64bit will work with SC? maybe under virtual?
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