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Humper
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| Expert Shadow wrote: | | Humper wrote: | | I rate after outcome but when I make my signature I rate my own signature after effort. |
Effort to follow a tutorial? |
huh? Following a tutorial isn't hard, freestylning some sheit is alot harder
and almost always gets better then some shitty tut. |
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gogodr
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Humper wrote: | | Expert Shadow wrote: | | Humper wrote: | | I rate after outcome but when I make my signature I rate my own signature after effort. |
Effort to follow a tutorial? |
huh? Following a tutorial isn't hard, freestylning some sheit is alot harder
and almost always gets better then some shitty tut. |
lets say this.... someone made the tutorial ad usually he created the "style" showed in that "tutorial" |
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Pride yourself on both effort and outcome. With effort comes knowledge and you can advance to different things. Most of the time your work will be judged by others purely on outcome. As Gogodr said, clients won't care as long as it looks good and suits the brief.
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| gogodr wrote: | | konr wrote: | | gogodr wrote: | | Moderator wrote: | | konr wrote: | | gogodr wrote: | outcome, but usually good outcomes needs a lot of effort.
but seriously none of your clients will ever care how much effort you put on your work, they just want it to look good. |
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| Clairenix wrote: | | Moderator wrote: | | Who is rating what, and what is rating who? what? |
No one specific really but I always have this feeling that someone is always pointing out the effort factor indirectly. >_> |
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He did say USUALLY. |
I think he is just dumb >.>.... |
No. Most Intermediate tags don't require much effort. |
o.o? I think you just dont get it. |
No gogodr. You're the one that doesn't get it. Do you even know what 'Intermediate' means? |
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zyndr0m
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| lying between two extremes in time or space or state; "going from sitting to standing without intermediate pushes with the hands"; "intermediate ... |
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Humper wrote: | | Expert Shadow wrote: | | Humper wrote: | | I rate after outcome but when I make my signature I rate my own signature after effort. |
Effort to follow a tutorial? |
huh? Following a tutorial isn't hard, freestylning some sheit is alot harder
and almost always gets better then some shitty tut. |
Seems you have changed your sig since i last posted. Yur sig was off a tut.
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gogodr
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| konr wrote: | | gogodr wrote: | | konr wrote: | | gogodr wrote: | | Moderator wrote: | | konr wrote: | | gogodr wrote: | outcome, but usually good outcomes needs a lot of effort.
but seriously none of your clients will ever care how much effort you put on your work, they just want it to look good. |
Wrong.
| Clairenix wrote: | | Moderator wrote: | | Who is rating what, and what is rating who? what? |
No one specific really but I always have this feeling that someone is always pointing out the effort factor indirectly. >_> |
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He did say USUALLY. |
I think he is just dumb >.>.... |
No. Most Intermediate tags don't require much effort. |
o.o? I think you just dont get it. |
No gogodr. You're the one that doesn't get it. Do you even know what 'Intermediate' means? |
lets see
we were discussing about how most of works in order to be good and have a nice outcome, more effort was needed.
putting as an example
2 artists of the same level doing the same work
but one makes less effort than the other
lets say Artist A and Artist B.
Artist A putted more effort on his work than Artist B that just made a lazy work.
which one would look better? the one from artist A or the one from Artist B.
according to what I said.. Artist A's work would have a better outcome than Artist B's |
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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How can effort even be that important? If the image sucks then will it matter you spent a thousand hours in it? Outcome means everything.
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| wallantia wrote: | | How can effort even be that important? If the image sucks then will it matter you spent a thousand hours in it? Outcome means everything. |
Without effort there is no passion or progress.
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| its more like.. effort is not important in the outcome judging but a good outcome needs effort. |
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd rather see someone make a great signature by taking their time, not just apply overused trendy effects. |
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Outcome.
I don't give a shit how many hours you took to do it, if it looks gay I don't liek it. :3
I'd say however that they do kind of go hand in hand... effort would imply you sticking some of your own creativity in it and making sure that everything works together nicely... but then again that ends up with the outcome. Er, I'm confusing myself. o_o But you DO need effort to get a nice outcome. What I mean is that if you took a long time and it still sucks, something's wrong... because you don't have a step by step guide for a sig, you have the sig. :]
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| Oh yeah, because the mona lisa paint is based on outcome and not by effort. Mona lisa is known world-wide due the fact it was so detailed. |
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Both.
Outcome to the people viewing it, but effort to the person making it.
If you make sigs for the outcome, you won't become any more experienced, or try experimenting with other things. Other people will only notice the outcome, but your outcome won't be any better without effort.
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Honestly people caring about effort was left back in school.
No one is going to buy something that looks like shit if you put a big sign next to it that says you put a lot of effort into it -_-"
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