Cheat Engine

[h3x1c]

[++METHOS]

Technically, CE is open source. It's lame if they don't give credit where credit is due, but they'll never be as good as CE...only copycats, in my opinion.

[h3x1c]

[akumakuja28]

I run a custom ce that resembles this and user ce. Is it ce at the core though?

[predprey]

i kinda duslike c# .net applications. sure the gui may look nicer but overall they feel slower than just using windows api. same thing with unity, it still feels slow yet the number of users just keeps increasing. maybe its the ease of use.

[ulysse31]

Meh. Will have to try it out and see what it brings, if anything, to the table. Btw they also import CE tables.

[mgr.inz.Player]

Tried it:
- while using "Viewer" ScrollBar - crash.
- "find AOB" also crashed few times.

[STN]

I love CE and while it's an acquired taste for me coming from Tsearch era, i can't imagine my life without CE now.

CH are doing a really fantastic job in some aspects with cosmos and heading in the right direction but really horrible in other aspects. For example, the usage of .net, the app is so slow. They dream of competing with CE even though they deny it publicly but it's going to be just a dream with .net as their programming language. Nobody wants to wait forever for the app to even load nevermind searching for stuff.

They haven't ripped CE's source code, it is based on other open source engines. Well, they obviously have ripped parts from CE such as speedhack.

I like how nonchalant Dark byte is about all of this. But he knows it's not a threat to CE. CH sucks at making things for public, their main selling point for cosmos is that it's very noob-friendly..well so is CE - even a retard can use CE. If anyone can't figure out how to use CE, i think they have something fundamentally wrong in them that fancy graphics of cosmos will not solve.

[PinPoint]

oh the t-seach era, what nostalgia. The only other memory editor i might still use from years ago is ArtMoney

Tried cosmos, prefer cheat engine, and I can't see an influx of CE user switching over anyway.

[h3x1c]

Coming at this from a marketing perspective, they could very well get to the point where they compete with CE (I'm not going to give any ideas), even if the product isn't as good (for the time being). People like modern UI, and CH looks more attractive from the sense of visual cues vs. CE's site and application--especially with people who want instant gratification.

If anyone stands a chance at competing with CE, it's them. And I'm not even talking about tomorrow, next month, or even a year from now. I'm talking about after they've got legs under this thing and they start moving it beyond the walls of their site. A marketing expert for them is just an invoice away, so whatever they suck at where that's concerned could be fixed in the blink of an eye.

They're motivated by the prospect of money, so this isn't just like some dude making a memory scanner as a hobby; this is ultimately a business move for them, so I'm not so sure I'd be ready to treat this as a fly-by-night CE wannabe.

At that, since CE and its free community are obviously what CH is competing against, I fully expect them at some point to start running ads and video promos directly calling out CE and pointing out its "flaws" as compared to their...well, whatever they have at the time: noob-friendliness, GUI, filtering options, etc.

At the end of the day, they have to convert users into paying customers, which, for them, means bringing people in with free tools, tutorials, etc. and then trying to get them to pay for a lifetime membership to significantly more functional trainers than what the free scripts are. If they can successfully push into the demographic of CE's massive user base by offering exactly the same thing for free, except with the lure of UI modernity and whatever else they posit as a benefit, then I could see things turning ugly here at some point.

I'd love to privately help work on the longevity of CE, because time has shown that absolutely no software solution is safe from competition--even if the competition isn't free. I'm not trying to be alarmist, but I think I'd pay a bit more attention to this, personally. Of course, this is all if anyone even cares to the extent of being proactive at this juncture or in the near future. CH has all the time in the world to craft something to a point of readiness where they can then easily put it in front of the entire CE demographic, provided they have enough ad budget (and I don't see this niche being particularly competitive with keywords, so...).

So, yeah. That's my thought on it from a business/marketing perspective (and not just armchair Internet QB guy, either; business/marketing analysis is one of my actual job qualifications).

EDIT: Throughout my reply, I don't mean CE's dedicated demographic, but rather its prospective demographic (anyone out there looking for cheats who could find their way to CE, basically).

[predprey]

i don't think CE's goal is to compete in the first place. correct me if im wrong, its probably to provide a free yet unlacking alternative back in the days where artmoney etc. required some kind of monetary remuneration for full functionality. I kinda like the community spirit here, where the veterans spend their time to help those learning or write tables for those not capable of doing so, has a FOSS spirit to it. i find DB's non-confrontational attitude really respectable, frankly if it were me each time someone asked about malware trojans in the installer they would probably be account+ip banned. it's probably his disposal that makes this place feels welcoming even for the newbies. as for veterans (forgive me for considering myself a partial one) we would probably prefer something we are used to and speedy until something else that brings something new comes along. for now, CE is probably still the most robust gamehacking tool.

[h3x1c]

[atom0s]

It's CH, they are known for copying things from others. Wouldn't be the first time. Won't be their last.

[_Veggy]

Amen to that atom0s

[h3x1c]